He's a playmaker and a good WR. I'm not shocked that people are suddenly saying he can't play WR, that's what happens when you excel in other areas.Originally Posted by WVRed
Never draft need. Drafting need get's you a zone corner like Leon Hall in the first round. The Bengals have a gigantic gaping hole with their interior Dline and somehow generating a pass rush. Until they fix that they could have Deion Sanders in his prime and it wouldn't matter.
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At the same time, best player available doesn't work either. Just because you have Carson Palmer doesn't mean you should draft Brady Quinn if he falls that far(and he won't, so its a moot issue).
You draft at the best available player to fill a need. We already have three top wideouts, why draft another that will only serve as a Dante Hall clone on this team?(even though he is four inches shorter and was taken in the fifth round).
As far as Leon Hall, this is where I trust Marvin. If he thinks that Leon Hall or Alan Branch(who has been reported to be unmotivated) are worth taking and that he can get the best out of their abilities, I have full confidence in Marvin Lewis to do it.
As long as we avoid the guy who drops 2-3 rounds because of an attitude or criminal problem even though he is the best player available.
He's got gamebreaker speed, but he's not what I'd consider to be a great route-runner, his hands are merey adequate and I think there are rightly concerns out there about whether or not he'll be an injury risk at the next level due to his slight frame. No doubt he has size comparables that have made it big in the NFL (Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison come immediately to mind), but its not the "safe" pick that a bigger wideout generally is.
Personally, I wouldn't select Ted Ginn Jr. any higher than 20th overall, but that is just me. I'm not a fan of Ginn the wideout, but I love Ginn the special teamer and return specialist. I figure if you draft him there and he contributes all year on special teams, any production he gives you as a WR is absolute gravy.
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Lapham was on WLW again last night, and he defintately backed away from the Ginn talk. Now he thinks Corner, Safety, Linebacker. He likes Revis the best of the corners. He thinks Willis and Landry are off the board.
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By off the board you mean other teams will have drafted them by 18, not the Bengals have taken them off their board, correct?
Again, if we can land Revis, Willis, Landry or Nelson I will be very happy.
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Agree completely. I am not convinced Ginn will ever be more than a third wideout on a team and if his draft status was based solely on him as a WR then he is a third round talent.
Its his special teams that is so valuable. And his speed. I wouldn't be too upset if the Giants picked him at 20 because I think he can come right in and change field position, but I would still be looking at Amani Toomer's replacement at the #2 wide receiver position in next years draft even with drafting Ginn number 1 in 2007.
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This comes directly from Marvin Lewis' mouth. Since he has been the coach, their draft philosophy has been BPA (Best Player Available).On Thursday, head coach Marvin Lewis insisted the Bengals aren’t picking for need.
“I don’t see where we draft a guy and he comes in and starts. I don’t see that,” Lewis says. “I would hope you wouldn’t want it that way. Otherwise you’d be picking a lesser player.”
Lewis refutes observations that the Bengals are thin at cornerback with the departure of Tory James and injury struggles of Deltha O’Neal, saying, “We might go in a little better than we went in last year.
“We return the two starters from (the end of) last year. Deltha O’Neal and Johnathan Joseph. Keiwan Ratliff, who was our third or fourth corner depending on how it worked. And we get Greg Brooks back healthy."
With that said I would not be shocked if they took Ginn at 18 for several reasons like his game-changing ability on special teams, his ability to vertically stretch the field on offense and the uncertaintity of Chris Henry. It's no slam dunk that he will return after his suspension. He is one more mistake away from being either suspended longer or even booted from the league.
I'm not advocating the Bengals draft Ginn but I would rather them draft Ginn than reach for a player on defense for the sake of taking a defensive player.
Exactlly right. While Ginn might not the dream choice, I would love to see Willis, Landry, Anderson, or Revis slip to them, he would be much better choice than reaching for a lesser talented defensive player.
Ginn would also fit perfectly for what Cincy needs. We all know both return games were in shambles for the majority of last year and he would immediately step in and fix that. I also don't think his route running would be as big a problem in our offense. They would just stick him out wide most the time and say son run as fast as you can to the goal and let #9's cannon of a right arm try and out throw you. No corner in this league can stay with him one on one in a striaghtline foot face, so he will always demand safety help over the top. That will help free up TJ and Chad , who are great route runners, across the middle.
I think everyone on this board knows I'm a Michigan fan by now. Having said that, I agree with Puffy on Ginn. His WR talent makes him a 3rd round player. He doesn't have the best hands and he doesn't run the most crisp routes. He is lightning, though and that raises him to a 1st rounder because of his special team ability. Ginn is a difference maker on special teams. I'm not convinced he's a difference maker at WR. As far as WR's go I have Calvin Johnson at #1 and Dwayne Bowe at #2. Meachem is my #3 and I have Jarret and Ginn as a close 4 and 5.
On Michigan's players, I agree that Leon Hall has some shortcomings and I can't say I'd be thrilled if the Bengals drafted him (depends on who's available at that point, though). I think Branch will be gone by the time the Bengals draft and I think he'll be a decent pro. I don't think he'll be defensive player of the year or anything, but he'll be pretty decent. David Harris is my favorite player, though. He was underrated last year by the media and the Big Ten and is underrated going into the draft. The kid flat out can play the game. He sniffs out screens better than any LB I've seen in recent years and he is a sure tackler. I hope he's there when the Bengals draft in the 2nd.
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I'd like to see the Bengals trade down, if they don't get someone to fit their needs. Personally I would love for them to trade down and take Anthony Spencer. I am not sure if he fits the Bengals defense, as it is now, though. Yes, I am biased, being a Purdue fan, but I have a feeling that he will drop enough and the Patriots will take him and he will turn into a very good player.
I would be all for drafting Ginn if the bengals were sound of defense. Ginn does have his limitations at WR but remember he has only played the position for 3 years. He would be a defniate game changer on the special teams side of the ball. I remember watching the Seahawks and Bears playoff game and Seattle kicked the ball short and away from Hester the entire game. They basically gave the Bears an extra 20+ yards of field position a game in doing so. It was amazing how much of an impact Hester had in the game without even touching the ball.
I would like to see the bengals take Revis or Nelson if they are there. The only thing that bothers me about Nelson is I think he is about is dumb as they come and one of his weaknesses was ability to learn an NFL playbook. Top that off with the fact that he only played one season of D1 football. If Nelson and Revis are off the board I would like to see the bengals attempt to trade down and take Griffen or Ross from Texas. In the first 2 rounds I think the bengals look LB, DB, S and dont attempt to take anything else until their 4th pick.
My guess is that the Bengals won't draft Ginn Jr, but will draft someone like: Revis, Nelson, Hall, Beason or Timmons in the 1st round.
I also wouldn't mind other guys like Landry or Okoye, but I don't think the Bengals will have a chance to get either unless they trade up.
FYI, the Bengals do not have a 3rd round draft pick this year. They gave that pick up to draft Ahmad Brooks in the supplemental draft last year.
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