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    I'm a huge OSU fan as most know. I was at Ginn's first game at OSU and just about every other home game. I personally think he's one of the most overrated players in the draft. He has great speed and good moves but he really hasn't shown me much else. He only has average hands (which have improved tremendously since his frosh year though) and his route running is ok (again, has shown improvement). Going with that I would say he's an end of the first day pick. But because he has shown an ability to make big plays and has some flash he's suddenly a first round pick after what Devon Hester did this year. I personally would take Anthony Gonzalez before Ginn because he's hard nosed and has good hands and is a good wide receiver. I just think Ginn is too fragile and will try too hard to make big plays and lose yards. In college, he could get away with reversing field and running all around. In the pro's, that won't fly. And sometimes his ability to field punts has been average as I have seen him drop quite a few the last several years.

    Just my $.02, but I can't see Ginn being a first round talent. I think he could add something to the return game but I just absolutely cannot see him as a #1 receiver in the NFL. Shouldn't a first round pick be the type of guy you build an offense around? I think so and I can only see Ginn being the type of player you build a special teams unit around.

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    Jim Tressel has repeatedly stated that Ted Ginn Jr has the best hands of any WR he has ever had.

    Where is this no hands thing coming from? Watch the 06 Michigan game and you won't question his hands.

    And his route running is an obvious problem. Remember he's played the FL position for exactly 3 years.

    He fumbled a couple punts and I guess that is allowing for this weird hands thing. I'll take Jim Tressel and his opinion over anyone else.

    "Here is guy who came to us as a return specialist and defensive back and has developed into a very good receiver," Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel said. "He has always had great hands and he has become a very good route runner. With his speed, he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball." Jim Tressel.

    This is just another case of misinformation becoming fact somewhere. Ginn has always had great hands.
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    Listening to Jim Jones on Lance's show today, he said that David Harris is almost sure to be gone by the time the Bengals draft in the 2nd round at #49. He said he sees him going in the 25-40 slot.

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    I'd rather stay away from Ginn Jr. Only good things I hear from him are OSU fans so I dunno if I can trust a fair judgment. Seems like he has a Randel El/Hester potential. Not really something I want in the first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    I'd rather stay away from Ginn Jr. Only good things I hear from him are OSU fans so I dunno if I can trust a fair judgment. Seems like he has a Randel El/Hester potential. Not really something I want in the first round.
    My thoughts exactly. That is pretty much what turned me off from Chris Gamble about three years ago.
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    My thoughts exactly. That is pretty much what turned me off from Chris Gamble about three years ago.
    Lets see though, those Buckeye Colored Glasses guys said take Gamble, and the Bengals took Chris Perry. If they had taken Gamble this team would be MUCH better off.

    I don't really want Ginn, I think he would be a better corner, and Marvin did hint at that in his press conference yesterday. If the Bengals take him to run back kicks, play a 3rd or 4th reciever, AND be a nickle or dime corner, with potential to move their permanently down the road. I would not complain.
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    I knew that Michael Jenkins would be a stretch as a first WR and said it plenty of times. I'm not biased about Ohio State players.

    Ginn has one problem and that's getting in and out of cuts on his routes. I can't imagine how that's an issue considering this will be his fourth year at this position.

    Personally I think the made up thing about his hands makes my point about perception and how players get downgraded when they excel so much at another area.

    I would prefer Reggie Nelson over anyone. I'm just not gonna cry if the Bengals take a playmaker with so much top end ability like Ted Ginn Jr.
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    Thanks for the link, Roy. What a friggin' beast that guy is. I'll be interested to see where he gets drafted and if he makes it.
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    That story reminds me of Toe Nash.

    However with the NFL's new emphasis on character, who is willing to take a chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    Jim Tressel has repeatedly stated that Ted Ginn Jr has the best hands of any WR he has ever had.

    Where is this no hands thing coming from? Watch the 06 Michigan game and you won't question his hands.

    And his route running is an obvious problem. Remember he's played the FL position for exactly 3 years.

    He fumbled a couple punts and I guess that is allowing for this weird hands thing. I'll take Jim Tressel and his opinion over anyone else.

    "Here is guy who came to us as a return specialist and defensive back and has developed into a very good receiver," Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel said. "He has always had great hands and he has become a very good route runner. With his speed, he is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball." Jim Tressel.

    This is just another case of misinformation becoming fact somewhere. Ginn has always had great hands.
    If he has such great hands then maybe it's a concentration problem. I can specifically think of several times from the past season alone where Ginn dropped balls when he was wide open. I would take Gonzalez over Ginn for being able to catch tough throws. Gonzo is fearless and will go after the ball and make plays. I just haven't seen Teddy do that as often as Gonzo.

    Ginn playing special teams and working on defense would certainly be interesting though.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/sp......nyt&emc=rss

    Quarterback Jordan Palmer Is No Hand-Me-Down
    By KAREN CROUSE
    Published: April 25, 2007

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    Jordan Palmer is 6 feet 6 and 230 pounds, with broad shoulders and close-cropped, dirty blond hair and is often confused for his older brother Carson.


    Jordan Palmer shops for his clothing at Goodwill stores, which seems a fitting way to introduce the quarterback prospect for whom the National Football League draft is a hand-me-down experience.

    In 2003 the Cincinnati Bengals made Palmer’s brother, Carson, a quarterback out of the University of Southern California, the No. 1 pick in the draft. Four years later, the younger Palmer, a four-year starter at the University of Texas-El Paso, is considered a probable second-day pick.

    Carson Palmer entered the 2003 draft weekend having already agreed to a contract with the Bengals that guaranteed him a $10 million signing bonus. Jordan Palmer heads into this weekend’s draft with a guaranteed tee time for 36 holes with Carson on a golf course in Colorado, where their parents, Bill and Dana, own a home.

    If Palmer is at all burdened that his football career has not measured up to his brother’s, he did not show it at the N.F.L. scouting combine in February. “I don’t think there is a huge difference,” he quipped when asked about the inevitable comparisons, “besides that he’s won a bunch of awards, he’s really famous and he’s really rich.”

    In the yearly shopping expedition that is the N.F.L. draft, Palmer would describe himself as a real steal for a team that’s not so stuck on labels and recognizes, as he does, that the best finds are often found off the gilded path.

    “I can’t compete with Carson in a lot of areas,” Palmer said over lunch recently at a sports bar not far from Mission Viejo, Calif., where he grew up. “But I can compete with him for Super Bowls, because he hasn’t won one of those yet. In the N.F.L. I want to be that guy who leads my team to a championship. That’s my goal.”

    Palmer’s dream scenario is to be drafted by a team in the Bengals’ division so he and his brother might oppose each other twice a year, every year, into the next decade.

    “If I could go anywhere,” Palmer said, “it’d be somewhere like Baltimore so I could play against Carson.”

    Jordan Palmer is 6 feet 6 and 230 pounds, with broad shoulders and close-cropped, dirty blond hair that he usually keeps tucked underneath a baseball cap. He is the spitting image of Carson.

    Not long ago, he was taking his girlfriend, Dottie O’Dell, out to dinner when a stranger ran up to him, grabbed him by the arm, thrust a piece of paper in front of him and said, “Carson, will you sign this for me?”

    Palmer politely shrugged off the autograph seeker, and according to O’Dell, said, “No, no, I’m not him, but I get that a lot.” He has been heard telling others who confuse him for his brother: “I’m not an N.F.L. player. I’m unemployed and live with my parents.”

    It is the pared-down truth, but after this weekend he hopes his story changes. Palmer, 22, completed 65.7 percent of his passes last year for 3,595 yards and 26 TDs for the Miners, a Conference USA team that finished 5-7.

    While his mechanics are exceptional, the same cannot be said of his accuracy; as a senior he was intercepted 14 times, which equals the number of picks that Brady Quinn recorded during his final two seasons at Notre Dame.

    Mike Mayock, the N.F.L. Network draft expert, said he foresees Palmer being selected late in the fourth round, maybe, but more likely in the fifth or sixth. “He’s a bit of a project,” Mayock said, adding: “In my opinion the whole interception-to-touchdown ratio has gotten blown out of proportion a little. If you watch tape a lot of the interceptions were not his fault.”

    Palmer, who conceded he has a gambler’s streak that he is working to tone down, does not dwell on things he cannot control. His focus, he said, is on being coachable, being a hard worker and being tough. “I don’t want people to think I’m content with my last name and being tall,” he said. “I love to compete and I want to be successful, and to do that I know I need to work hard every day to get better.”

    Ron Hudson, who recruited Palmer to play at Texas-El Paso before leaving to become the offensive line coach at Louisiana-Lafayette, called Palmer a one-of-a-kind person and leader.

    “He’s not ashamed to be a little different,” Hudson said in a telephone interview, adding, “He’s a different cat. He has a swagger that comes not from arrogance but from a leadership standpoint.”

    Hudson remembered how Palmer reached out to teammates who came from different backgrounds and was not afraid to confront players about any behaviors that could be considered detrimental to the team. “He’s the best leader I’ve seen bar none,” he said.

    As the draft nears, Hudson listens to the so-called experts question Palmer’s decision-making and his reads and he does not know what to think. “Will he make it in the N.F.L.?” Hudson said. “I don’t know, but I’ve told people this: He will never embarrass anybody who brings him in.”

    Palmer acknowledged his second-hand sartorial style probably raises a few eyebrows in certain places he goes with O’Dell in Orange County, like the glitzy outdoor malls where consumers seem to spend a lot of time shopping for status. The dark, three-piece polyester suit that he considers one of his greatest Goodwill finds might not go over too well with the Hugo Boss crowd.

    During one of Carson’s recent trips back to Southern California, the brothers played Torrey Pines, the public golf course outside San Diego. They were paired with two strangers from West Virginia who happened to be wide-eyed Bengals fans. After trading stories and shots for 18 holes, the men told the Palmers they were surprised at how normal they were.

    “That’s a bigger compliment than someone saying you’re cool,” said Palmer, who has no use for people who judge others by the clothes on their backs, the car in their garage or their family name.

    “I take what I do very seriously, but I don’t take myself seriously,” he said.

    Palmer played second violin in the high school band and college football in West Texas, both moves he can say, looking back, were his way of forging an identity separate from his brother’s. As he prepares to follow Carson into the N.F.L., Palmer’s sense of self is stronger than his throwing arm.

    “He doesn’t care what other people think,” his girlfriend, O’Dell, said. “He is his own person.”

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    Cool, I had forgot about him.

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    Here's my wish list for the Bengals draft:

    1st rnd - S Michael Griffin, Texas (Trade down to mid-20's and add a 3rd rnd pick)
    2nd rnd - CB Josh Wilson, Maryland
    3rd rnd - LB Justin Durant, Hampton
    4th rnd - RB Chris Henry, Arizona
    5th rnd - WR Mike Walker, Central Florida
    6th rnd - CB Courtney Brown, Cal Poly
    7th rnd - T Elliot Vallejo, Cal-Davis
    7th rnd - QB Jeff Smith, Georgetown (KY)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotCorner View Post
    Here's my wish list for the Bengals draft:

    1st rnd - S Michael Griffin, Texas (Trade down to mid-20's and add a 3rd rnd pick)
    2nd rnd - CB Josh Wilson, Maryland
    3rd rnd - LB Justin Durant, Hampton
    4th rnd - RB Chris Henry, Arizona
    5th rnd - WR Mike Walker, Central Florida
    6th rnd - CB Courtney Brown, Cal Poly
    7th rnd - T Elliot Vallejo, Cal-Davis
    7th rnd - QB Jeff Smith, Georgetown (KY)
    If I had to guess, Wilson and Durant will be gone in the second round.

    Other than that, can't really argue.
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