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    Re: Wow is this team a wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    Why is he wrong? You would think a guy who hits 40 HR in a year would have more than 92 RBIs. You would think a guy who hit 46 HR in a year would have hit more than 102 RBI's in a year. You would think a guy who's hit 40 HR in a year would have more than 100 RBI's period. Run producers drive in runs when their team needs them to. Does that not bother anyone? I'd like to know the percentage of runs driven in by Dunn other than the HR. My guess. . .not so many.
    RBI's are a team dependent stat. If the batters before Dunn can not get on base, how does he get RBI's? The team wide batting average for RISP is extremely crappy right now, it's not just Dunn doing that. Once again this entire team has put it's wieght on Dunn's shoulders and with no secondary hitter on this team to back him up, I really don't see how this team expects to score runs at a decent pace.

    Houston went out and got Berkman some help in that lineup at a awfully crappy price, but it's working. Berkman is struggling but Carlos Lee is actually tearing it up. Where is Dunn's help? Griffey is getting old, no offense. Edwin is an slump, Hamilton's a rookie who I really hope does keep his pace up. Ross is crap and won't get much better than where he's at now. Phillips is struggling with learning plate discipline.

    So whom steps up? Do we try to trade for a right handed bat to back up Dunn much like Berkman and Lee? Would that make sense? I don't see the rhyme or reason behind putting all the Reds struggles on Dunn's shoulders when there are other guys in the line up doing worse. And yes, whomever said Dunn is getting treated like A-Rod is exactly correctly.

    This is getting old with the hatred for Dunn. If he's traded right now, this team loses the only real threat in the line up. Then we seriously do lose 90-100 games.

    And you want to bring up his strike outs? He's trying to actually put the bat on the ball this year. I am not hating that fact that he is striking out swinging when he's trying to drive the ball. Many made that agruement for Ryan Howard last year, who hits in a much better lineup then Dunn does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    RBI is such a subjective stat. You have to consider that the guys in front of you have to be on base before you can drive them in.
    In 2004, Dunn finished fifth in the NL in extra base hits with 80. He came in sixth in 2005 with 77 extra base hits.

    For his career, Dunn has hit a homerun every 14.3 at bats. That's sixth among active players, and 10th all time. The top 20?


    1. Mark McGwire
    2. Babe Ruth
    3. Barry Bonds
    4. Jim Thome
    5. Albert Pujols
    6. Manny Ramirez
    7. Ralph Kiner
    8. Harmon Killebrew
    9. Sammy Sosa
    10. Adam Dunn
    11. Alex Rodriguez
    12. Ted Williams
    13. Ken Griffey
    14. Carlos Delgado
    15. Juan Gonzalez
    T. Dave Kingman
    17. Mickey Mantle
    18. Jimmie Foxx
    19. Mike Schmidt
    20. Jose Canseco


    There sure are a lot of "not very good hitters" on that list.

    when runners get on in front of him he simply does not drive them in. you really cant argue that... dunn sucks when you need him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbball10 View Post
    when runners get on in front of him he simply does not drive them in. you really cant argue that... dunn sucks when you need him!
    Yet he leads the team in RBI's the last 3 years.

    Can't argue with that eh?

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    Dunn's on pace to create 120 runs this sesason. That would have been good enough for 10th in the NL last year.

    Anti-Dunn folks, it's not a Dunn problem. It's a YOU problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Yet he leads the team in RBI's the last 3 years.

    Can't argue with that eh?
    no i cant and im not... he hits way more home runs than anyone on the team, so if he dosent lead the reds in rbi's, then he has more serious problems than i thought he originally had. he also has more chances than most others on the team to drive in runs, so he should lead the team in rbi's.
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    RBI=The "Dude, Where's My Car" of statistics.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Marty rips on Dunn because Dunn is a fundamentally flawed ballplayer who kills rally after rally. Maybe Dunn has indeed been this team's biggest offensive threat the last 5 years. Then again, that's not saying much, considering this team has been awful more often than not during that time period. As some have said, Marty and Thom call it as they see it. And Adam Dunn swinging right through pitches is something we see more often than not.

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    Raisor, WOY, and savafan, Iíve been reading this board for quite some time over the years and I though I respect your opinions about Dunn. I donít know if you guys watch every game or not, but I do and this is what I see.

    1. Heís not a tough out.
    2. Doesnít perform well in clutch situations.
    3. Heís way below average left fielder.
    4. Make way too many base running blunders.
    5. Doesnít seem to have progress in any area during the 6 years heís been in the majors.

    You can throw as many stats as you want to try and make me and other believe that Dunn is a valuable asset to this team, but I know what I see.

    Bottom line, Dunn isnít progressing heís actually regressing the last 2.5 years. He makes 10.5M and isnít worth that much. He doesnít learn from his mistakes is really what kills me. Pitchers know how to get him out and they do when they buckle down. I really hope the REDS donít pick up his option. I hope they can get something for him, but I doubt that they will get much.

    Like I said, I respect your opinions, but there is no stat that Dunn has that will change my mind.
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    Re: Wow is this team a wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    Marty in the first: "Dunn doing what he does best: swinging right through it."

    Marty in the eighth (?): "Time to face facts. Adam Dunn is not a run producer."

    Marty later in that inning: "I would think this team might look at putting Junior in left, Ryan Freel in center, Josh Hamilton in right, and sitting Adam Dunn on the bench."
    Marty is a moron. People believe this crap too. Just do your job and call the game. He's the best when he does that. And if he can't, he should take his boy with him. He's just as bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marge'sMullet View Post
    Like I said, I respect your opinions, but there is no stat that Dunn has that will change my mind.

    That's a "you" issue then.

    I'm WILLING to change my mind about Dunn. I just haven't seen anyone come close to proving my beliefs wrong.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Wow is this team a wreck

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    RBI=The "Dude, Where's My Car" of statistics.
    Sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    That's a "you" issue then.

    I'm WILLING to change my mind about Dunn. I just haven't seen anyone come close to proving my beliefs wrong.
    Ok Raisor, answer this question.

    Has Dunn progressed over the 6 years he's been in the big leagues?

    If you answer yes, then I like to know where?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marge'sMullet View Post
    Ok Raisor, answer this question.

    Has Dunn progressed over the 6 years he's been in the big leagues?

    If you answer yes, then I like to know where?
    I'm not hung up on Dunn "progressing". I like his game as it is.

    If he has the exact season he had last year the next 10 years in a row, I'd be content.

    People get hung up about what he's NOT. I like what he IS.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    I'm not hung up on Dunn "progressing". I like his game as it is.

    If he has the exact season he had last year the next 10 years in a row, I'd be content.

    People get hung up about what he's NOT. I like what he IS.
    I see, your man love has made you blind. Hopefully the next 10 years are with another team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marge'sMullet View Post
    I see, your man love has made you blind. Hopefully the next 10 years are with another team.
    I'm just not hung up on K's, BA, or RBI. Those are YOUR blindspots.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."


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