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    Coffey Overused

    Anyone else find it curious that Jerry Narron loves to throw Todd Coffey out there as much as he can, without concern for his health. Why with a 10-2 lead would you send in one of it not the most important cog of your bullpen. Isnt that why Santos is there, for mop up role. God Narron its ok not to brew Coffey everyday, just drink some hot tea!

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    santos has been better than coffey, if he's one of the cogs, there are some big problems. you have to look at coffey's stats, because after april and may of last year, he really hasn't been very effective.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    I think Narron wanted to see him get back on the right track. He has had several bad games lately.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I think Narron wanted to see him get back on the right track. He has had several bad games lately.
    Nah. His last two performances have been very good. Both 1 ip, 1 h, 2 k's.

    I def think he is being over used. The guy I would throw out there is Saarloos. He is our mop up/long reliever. Santos has been too good to use freely like this. Coffey is still important. If he can be reliable, our BP can do well.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    i think sarloos has wicked stuff and could be an effective reliever, that being said i realize he's had a couple below par outings, but hey, lets cheer up, the offense hit, and harang looked great. its a good night to be a reds fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mroby85 View Post
    i think sarloos has wicked stuff and could be an effective reliever, that being said i realize he's had a couple below par outings, but hey, lets cheer up, the offense hit, and harang looked great. its a good night to be a reds fan.
    Oh yeah. I like Saarloos. I'm not saying he is the LR and mop up bc he is bad, but bc he has the best stamina out of our relievers and isn't a max effort guy. Also, Saarloos' high WHIP and H/9, and low K/9, make it absolutely no sense to bring him in with ANY runners on base. Therefore, he doesn't need to be reserved for key situations. But a guy like Coffey can go in there and get a K if needed. Saarloos, to this point, is striking out way more hitters than his norm, and even that doesn't come close to Coffey's ability.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    He's hasn't been used two days in a row since last Tuesday and Wednesday. On the 20th he threw 18 pitches, on the 22nd he threw 13 pitches and tonight he threw 10 pitches. That's only 41 pitches in his last three outings over 5 days. I don't really think he's being over used. He came in a did a good job tonight. He had a huge lead came in and threw strikes and let the other team put it in play, all on the ground mind you. I have no problem with his outing tonight.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    IP H R ER HR HB BB SO WHIP HLD GF
    Bobby Livingston 0 2 2.88 4 4 0 0 0 25.0 24 8 8 2 1 3 17 1.08 0 0
    Phil Dumatrait 4 0 0.38 4 4 0 0 0 23.2 12 4 1 0 0 9 17 0.89 0 0
    Mike Gosling 0 0 2.25 3 3 0 0 0 16.0 12 4 4 2 0 7 12 1.19 0 0
    Tom Shearn 0 1 2.81 3 3 0 0 0 16.0 14 6 5 2 0 6 10 1.25 0 0
    Homer Bailey 1 0 1.76 3 3 0 0 0 15.1 8 3 3 1 0 8 11 1.04 0 0
    Ricky Stone 0 1 0.90 8 0 0 0 0 10.0 6 2 1 0 0 1 5 0.70 2 2
    Jason Kershner 1 1 0.90 7 0 0 0 0 10.0 4 1 1 0 0 1 7 0.50 1 2
    Gary Majewski 0 1 8.31 8 0 0 0 0 8.2 12 8 8 1 1 2 7 1.62 2 1
    Wes Wilkerson 1 0 3.86 7 0 0 0 0 7.0 10 4 3 0 0 4 4 2.00 0 2
    Brad Salmon 1 0 2.57 7 0 0 0 2 7.0 7 2 2 0 0 0 7 1.00 0 7
    Brian Shackelford 0 2 13.50 7 0 0 0 0 5.1 6 8 8 0 1 5 1 2.06 2 0
    Steven Kelly 0 1 13.50 3 0 0 0 0 4.2 10 10 7 0 0 5 2 3.21 0 2
    Jared Burton 0 0 2.25 3 0 0 0 0

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    I don't understand why they just didn't put in Coutlangus and let him get some innings. How about Cormier? He hasn't pitched in a week. Wow, they have no confidence in him at all.
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    Re: Coffey Overused

    Quote Originally Posted by Jr's Boy View Post
    IP H R ER HR HB BB SO WHIP HLD GF
    Bobby Livingston 0 2 2.88 4 4 0 0 0 25.0 24 8 8 2 1 3 17 1.08 0 0
    Phil Dumatrait 4 0 0.38 4 4 0 0 0 23.2 12 4 1 0 0 9 17 0.89 0 0
    Mike Gosling 0 0 2.25 3 3 0 0 0 16.0 12 4 4 2 0 7 12 1.19 0 0
    Tom Shearn 0 1 2.81 3 3 0 0 0 16.0 14 6 5 2 0 6 10 1.25 0 0
    Homer Bailey 1 0 1.76 3 3 0 0 0 15.1 8 3 3 1 0 8 11 1.04 0 0
    Ricky Stone 0 1 0.90 8 0 0 0 0 10.0 6 2 1 0 0 1 5 0.70 2 2
    Jason Kershner 1 1 0.90 7 0 0 0 0 10.0 4 1 1 0 0 1 7 0.50 1 2
    Gary Majewski 0 1 8.31 8 0 0 0 0 8.2 12 8 8 1 1 2 7 1.62 2 1
    Wes Wilkerson 1 0 3.86 7 0 0 0 0 7.0 10 4 3 0 0 4 4 2.00 0 2
    Brad Salmon 1 0 2.57 7 0 0 0 2 7.0 7 2 2 0 0 0 7 1.00 0 7
    Brian Shackelford 0 2 13.50 7 0 0 0 0 5.1 6 8 8 0 1 5 1 2.06 2 0
    Steven Kelly 0 1 13.50 3 0 0 0 0 4.2 10 10 7 0 0 5 2 3.21 0 2
    Jared Burton 0 0 2.25 3 0 0 0 0
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    Re: Coffey Overused

    Coffey needs to work himself back into pitching important innings. Until he works himself back into what he was I say he pitches mop up innings.

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    Gee, the guy has been in 13 of our 20 games and now he isn't effective. You think there might be some cause and effect there?

    Why use two relievers to get 4 outs?

    There are just too many reliever appearances for a team that is getting great starting pitching on a nightly basis. It's not that they are throwing to too many batters. It's that they are throwing too often.

    The next big organizational hurdle is to find a way to manage the bullpen without slagging the arms we have. It's nice to have depth, but when/if they start to focus on quality, they'll need to keep the good guys healthy.
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    Re: Coffey Overused

    23 NL pitchers have 11 or more IP, 17 have more IP then Coffey. He's on pace for 89 IP in 105 appearances.

    If he gets in over 100 games I'll be surprised, if he tops 100 IP I won't be. And it won't be that unusual.

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    GAMES                         YEAR      G       IP     
    1    Wayne Granger            1969       90    145     
    2    Rob Murphy               1987       87    100.2   
    3    Frank Williams           1987       85    105.2   
    4    Stan Belinda             1997       84     99.1   
    5    Todd Coffey              2006       81     78     
    6    Pedro Borbon             1973       80    121     
    T7   Scott Sullivan           1999       79    113.2   
    T7   Scott Sullivan           2001       79    103.1   
    T7   Scott Sullivan           2000       79    106.1   
    T10  Kent Mercker             2005       78     61.2   
    T10  Jeff Shaw                1997       78     94.2   
    T10  Jeff Shaw                1996       78    104.2   
    T10  Ted Abernathy            1968       78    135     
    T10  Ted Power                1984       78    108.2   
    T10  Tom Hume                 1980       78    137

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    Re: Coffey Overused

    The Reds have three pitchers leading the league in appearances, Coffey, Saarloos and Stanton. I don't know why Narron didn't use someone like Cormier to mop up last night--or Milton (I know we are all thinking about that one).
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    Re: Coffey Overused

    23 NL pitchers have 11 or more IP, 17 have more IP then Coffey. He's on pace for 89 IP in 105 appearances.

    If he gets in over 100 games I'll be surprised, if he tops 100 IP I won't be. And it won't be that unusual.
    Again...it's not the number of batters per appearances (IP) that's the problem. The problem is that they are throwing too often.

    This is EXACTLY what melted down last years pen. Narron would go with the same pitcher day in and day out till they either lost effectiveness or they got hurt. Chris Hammond in particular was very effective till he got overused and overworked.

    Sometime in June or before one of the beat writers is going to write about what a great job that Narron has done making due with a pen while swapping so many roles around and how nobody could have anticipated Saarloos and Coffey going down with injuries. It's maddening.
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