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Jr was hurt in 2001, but the Reds insisted on making him available to pinch hit, so it wouldn't hurt ticket sales.. then he got hurt worse. They've probably cleared Jr to play many times too early.
What about Majewski last year? I still think they should've just shut him down for the year when they diagnosed him as being overworked. Instead, they let him rest for 2 weeks, and then pitch him in minor league games as rehab? Idiotic, considering Maj wasn't going to contribute and the Reds weren't going to win the division with or without Maj.
They also sent Mercker out last year when he clearly shouldn't have been pitching.
I think a lot of baseball players are pressured to play hurt (at least on the Reds), when they shouldn't be. I wish the team was more concerned about the long term health of the player, but I guess to the owners, these players are just disposable property.
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I think you also have to look at roster limitations when dealing with injuries. Do you want to add a man to the 40 man roster for a short period of time becasue of an injury? Sure you can place a man on the 60 day DL but when he comes off you have to make a roster move.
IMO nagging injuries in baseball take more of a toll than that of football. In football you basically give it your all and then rest for 5 days. In baseball you can because you have to do it day after day after day which only makes that injury linger. A nagging injury like a hamstring or quad or ankle might not seem like it is effecting your performance but in reality it is significantly.
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The Players Association would never go for it, since it would set back every gain they have made since the reserve clause was struck down. And no union anywhere would certainly ever again be in solidarity with the players union.
Like I said, it will never happen, but it's fun to daydream about it from time to time.
Non-guaranteed contracts are stupid. Thanks to having guaranteed contracts Baseball doesn't have to deal with the annual holdouts like football players who are unhappy with their contracts. And I'm not blaming the football players, it's the only leverage they have so they should use it. If a team can cut a player at any time for no reason then a player should be able to renegotiate also.
Players are definately less likely to play hurt if they have non-guaranteed contracts. If you knew your team could cut you if you got hurt you don't battle injuries, you take your time to heal them so you don't jeopardize your next contract.
WTR to your statement about guaranteed contract being stupid, I would venture to say that Baseball players are more likely to have big pre-contract years. Meaning that baseball players are more likely to tail off after signing a big contract than football players. I think that shows the benefits of non-guaranteed contracts. It would be nice to know that at any time Ross or Milton could get cut. And hopefully they would react in a competitive manner and live up to their contracts.
UC Ken I disagree. Non guaranteed contracts make the NFL better. True you have holdouts in the pre season but they rarely make it into the regular season. It helps teams get rid of bad contracts. They are still punished by these contracts but they are able to get out from them and it doesn't effect the team for the forseeable future. For example what do you think the reds could have done had Griffey and Milton been disposable or been able to rework their contracts? The reds probably wouldn't have been in this mess. I will take preseason holdouts as long as I know that a team can win 2 games one year and go to the super bowl the next.
I think it makes baseball better. It emphasizes the need to develop your own players so you don't need to go out and compete on the free agent market. It rewards the teams that spend wisely. What your saying is you want to bail out the owners who spend stupidly. Why? Why not reward well run franchises?
I think the NFL has non-guaranteed contracts just because of the nature of the sport. Football careers are shorter than those for baseball players. The first contract you sign may be your last. If NFL contracts were guaranteed, no team would offer a contract longer than a year or two. Thus, in lieu of mult-year guaranteed contracts, NFL players have opted for non-guaranteed contracts, but they still get guaranteed money in the form of an up-front signing bonus. The player and team then have a multi-year non-guaranteed contract with the understanding that the player and the team may seek to renegotiate it at a later time, but that doesn't mean that players are getting the shaft.
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The difference between these sports and baseball is that baseball is a team sport. I know NASCAR has teams but you are competing against your own teammate. In baseball, you have to depend on your teammates to succeed. No matter how good of a pitcher you are, there needs to be someone to catch your pitches.
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Bottom line is this, players aren't as willing to play hurt as they used to be. Perhaps is just a sign of the times, but it's a fact.
As far as the topic of the thread, I really think it depends on the injury as to whether or not the absence of the guaranteed contract would cause players to be out there more. In Prior's case, I don't think it would matter. Shoulder injury and pitcher don't go together very well.
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