So you want Narron fired...

[Screwball]

I just got done reading through the game thread, and like many others when the Reds lose, there were quite a few people calling for Narron to be canned. Most any move he makes results in people calling him a moron, idiot or some variation of the like. So my question is this: If Narron was to be fired tomorrow (like many on here want to happen), who would you replace him with? Who is out there, either in the minor league system or curerntly unemoployed, that A.)would do a better job in steering this team to more victories via his managerial moves, and B.) realistically could be lured/promoted to coach for the small market Reds?

NOTE: Keep in mind, this thread isn't intended to simply call out those that want Narron fired (well, maybe a little bit). I really am curious as to who people think could replace Jerry Narron and do a superior job with the players he has been given.

[guttle11]

It doesn't matter who they would replace him with. To sit on your hands is season suicide. Be proactive.

[kaldaniels]

It doesn't matter who they would replace him with. To sit on your hands is season suicide. Be proactive.

Am I misinterpeting this.....are you suggesting any team 3 games under .500 in early May should fire the manager to avoid "season suicide"....your statement needs some more details.

[keeganbrick]

Me or Billy Hatcher. I already said I'd do it for 30k.

[WVPacman]

Narron,has made some mistakes this season without a doubt.Frankly I thought he should have left Coffey in the game tonight b/c he was pitching well.The main thing that makes me mad is it seems the players don't husle for him.First it was EE when he did'nt run to first... Then it was Dunn in the outfield not hustling to the ball,Then it was Griffey at the plate posing instead of running.Then it was Griffey again tonight in the outfield loafing not hustling to the ball.Seems like im forgetting about another player??

Anyways who was the only person that got punished?? EE right?? What im trying to say is this is showing me that these players knows they can loaf and not husle b/c Narron isn't going to say nothing.When a team of ballplayers don't husle in everygame then thats telling me that Narron can't control his team b/c they won't listen and thats Narrons fault b/c he won't speak up.

[Yachtzee]

Wasn't in the game thread tonight and haven't called for his firing, but if the Reds were in the market, I've always liked what I've heard from Larry Dierker.

[Screwball]

Wasn't in the game thread tonight and haven't called for his firing, but if the Reds were in the market, I've always liked what I've heard from Larry Dierker.

Larry Dierker is an interesting candidate. Former manager of the year, career .556 winning percentage as mngr., and he used to be a pretty good pitcher. I guess my questions are, would he be able to get guys to hit with RISP, keep the bullpen from 8th inning meltdowns, or prevent the defense from making costly errors?

[Yachtzee]

Larry Dierker is an interesting candidate. Former manager of the year, career .556 winning percentage as mngr., and he used to be a pretty good pitcher. I guess my questions are, would he be able to get guys to hit with RISP, keep the bullpen from 8th inning meltdowns, or prevent the defense from making costly errors?

All I ask is that the manager know the hand he's been dealt and use his players in a manner that puts them in the best position to succeed. From what I've heard, Dierker is someone who would try to do that.

[WVRedsFan]

All I ask is that the manager know the hand he's been dealt and use his players in a manner that puts them in the best position to succeed. From what I've heard, Dierker is someone who would try to do that.

Yes, yes. My point exactly. Some guys have it and some do not. We're saddled with someone who does not (IMHO). The talent the Reds have (Dunn, Griffey, EdE, Phillips, Hamilton, etc) is enough to win even with a sucky bullpen. Why aren't we winning? No other answer but poor management comes to mind.

We've had some great talent over the years since 2000. It's likeit has been wasted on the Boones, Mileys and Narrons of the world instead of proven winners. It's hard to take--losses like tonight's, especially when the masses were saying "no, no" when Stanton was pitching batting practice. Is Narron so dumb that he couldn't see that? Is he so unaware that his heart left him in? If so, he needs a heart transplant. Soon.

[cincinnati chili]

Wasn't in the game thread tonight and haven't called for his firing, but if the Reds were in the market, I've always liked what I've heard from Larry Dierker.

I've speculated before that he must have some major skeletons or something. Is he a drinker? A registered sex offender?

I know he had the health issue (seizure) and I know that he had a poor record in the playoffs. But guys with that kind of winning percentage, ALWAYS get second jobs.

[Yachtzee]

I've speculated before that he must have some major skeletons or something. Is he a drinker? A registered sex offender?

I know he had the health issue (seizure) and I know that he had a poor record in the playoffs. But guys with that kind of winning percentage, ALWAYS get second jobs.

That could be. I thought I saw something before that the health problems were under control and that he might entertain managing again. But then he may just be comfortable where he is right now and would need the right situation to get back into managing. It would be nice, when the managing position comes open again, if they would at least talk to the guy.

[RichRed]

Isn't the choice obvious? Former Twin skipper Tom Kelly!

[Topcat]

Narron's weakness is in his ability to use a pitching staff correctly. I truly believe he has not lost his catchers skills and the mentality to gut it out with his starters and his inability to use a bullpen correctly.

He to often this season has put a reliever into a game and gone with the mentality of using them complete a full inning, thus disregarding match ups. He also has extended his starters way to often and been short sighted in the long term picture of the whole season. Jerry's affinity to crafty vets has also been detrimental in the fact he does not allow the young relievers to grow and learn. The blatant over use of David weathers is going to come back and bite this franchise in the ass.

David Weathers becomes my number 1 trade able commodity due to the fact I believe he is going to break down in the Near future.

[Screwball]

He to often this season has put a reliever into a game and gone with the mentality of using them complete a full inning, thus disregarding match ups. .

I must be watching different Reds games than you, because I see him do just the opposite. There have been numerous instances where Narron has used 4 or 5 pitchers to get through 2 innings, or he'll micro-manage a la Tony LaRussa because he's so concerned with matching up lefty against lefty, etc. whether the current pitcher is being effective or not.

He also has extended his starters way to often and been short sighted in the long term picture of the whole season.

This is true but it's really tough to blame him when you consider the absolute trash he's had to work with. I mean, Narron leaves his starter in for 120-130 pitches and he gets lit up for not thinking long term. He takes his starter out when he reaches 110 pitches despite cruising and Narron gets lit up for going to the terrible bullpen too early.

It just seems like no matter what JN does there's a large group of people who blame him and bash him for his decision, regardless if it's the correct one or not.

[Griffey012]

Bob Brenly...get him off the tube