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    5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    the lineup of the day is

    Freel 3B
    Hatteberg 1B
    Junior RF
    Phillips 2B
    Hamilton CF
    Dunn LF
    Gonzalez SS
    Valentin C
    Lohse P

    I have stayed away from batting order bashing but against Oswalt and a team with only one lefty in the pen(who Dunn and Jr hammered last week) it makes no sense at all.

    I just don't get the fascination with phillips in the middle of the order.
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    He has a live bat with some pop?

    He is going to try to put the ball in play no matter what?

    Always swinging?

    Does he come up with the big hit?
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    At the least he has moved Alex G back down to 7th against Oswalt. I don't really have a huge problem with this line-up. Against Oswalt, Phillips and Alex G are facing tough nights, other than burying them at 7th and 8th, not sure what you do other than what Narron has done.

    This game will turn on whether Hatte, Jr., Hamilton, Dunn or Valentin can do some harm from the left side against Oswalt...

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Word to the wise: Take pitches! Get Oswalt to throw as much as possible and then get him out earlier.
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Against Oswalt, Phillips and Alex G are facing tough nights, other than burying them at 7th and 8th, not sure what you do other than what Narron has done.
    put the three best hitters(I don't care that they are all lefties) in the 3-4-5 slots.
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    I hear you, flyer, but since we know that Narron is in a split-the-bats-as-much-as-possible mode, I am fine with what he has fashioned for the night. Given that constraint (L-R-L-R as much as possible), I am ok with the line-up...

    I am also not as down on Phillips as many on here seem to be (although I agree that clean-up is a bit of a stretch for him...)

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    I just don't get the fascination with phillips in the middle of the order.
    Because he leads the team in outs and GIDPs?

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    I am also not as down on Phillips as many on here seem to be
    Im not down on Phillips, but as a cleanup hitter breaking up the lefties against Oswalt, please ....
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Again, since Narron is in a split-the-bats mode, who would you bat clean-up from amongst his choices? Set aside for the moment whether you agree with his doing that or not (splitting the bats), and, given that reality, how else would you do it?

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    All this discussion shows is that the Reds lack a true righty middle of the order guy. I guess EE sits because Narron doesn't think he can hit Oswalt right now. And Freel is hot so he keeps him in .

    Even with EE, I don't see a Derrick Lee in this lineup.

    This is a problem the Reds need to correct. You have to have one righty bopper among these lefty bats.

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Again, since Narron is in a split-the-bats mode
    which just shows how dense he is.

    A) The Astros have one lefty in the pen
    B) The LHP, Miller, isn't very good and the LHBs beat him around last week
    C) Oswalt is pitching and the likelihood of anyone pitching other than setup or closer is rather small anyway.

    This just really isn't all that hard.

    Freel
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    Jr
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    Phillips
    Gonzo
    Valentin
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    You have to have one righty bopper among these lefty bats.
    ... at least against teams that have good LHPs in the bullpen. The Astros do NOT qualify.

    The odds are rather good it will be all RHPs for the Stros tonight.
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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Again, since Narron is in a split-the-bats mode, who would you bat clean-up from amongst his choices? Set aside for the moment whether you agree with his doing that or not (splitting the bats), and, given that reality, how else would you do it?
    One of the games against Philly (4.22 perhaps?) It seemed like they had 7 lefties in the line up. It was wild because we were in our fav section (220ish) which is foul ball heaven from lefties.

    But I wonder if the managers who insist on lefty/right splits would melt down if they had to run out such a lefty heavy line up?
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    That's a fine line-up flyer, and my preferred one as well. But, since yelling into the wind will have the same effect in terms of changing Narron's current insistence on "splitting the bats" as will my opinion on this board of his order, I guess I am just working over in my mind within those constraints what else he could have done. Given the current approach from Narron, the line-up that he has tonite makes about as much sense as it can. Faint praise and all that...

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    Re: 5/7/2007 - Reds/Astros or Oswalt/Lohse II

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    B) The LHP, Miller, isn't very good and the LHBs beat him around last week
    Lefties have hit Miller better than righties this season. Both sides hit him at about the same rate in 2005 and 2006. There is ZERO reason to split up the lefties against the Astros tonight.


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