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    Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Iíve disliked many things about Narron as the Reds manager, but Iíve never before posted on the subject. The way Narron (& WK?) have handled EE is the last straw for me. I can see logic in optioning EE(& Coffey) to give them a chance to relax and get back in the groove. To do so in a way that embarrasses the player is classless and needlessly harmís the clubsí relationship with that player and possibly the players development.

    In addition, as Iíve posted many times, I feel the Reds need to build with youth even if it means losing a few more games this year(does it matter if the Reds are 15 games behind instead of 10 at seasons end?). Narron is the wrong guy for that approach for at least two reasons. First, it seems to be against his nature to play a young guy if he can find an aging veteran who ďplays the game the right wayĒ. Secondly, I think Narron is trying to save his job and losing any extra games this year to benefit the future(when heíll be gone)is no way to do that.

    Hire someone with the understanding heíll have at least a three year window to build a serious contender - although I think it can be done sooner.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingray View Post
    Iíve disliked many things about Narron as the Reds manager, but Iíve never before posted on the subject. The way Narron (& WK?) have handled EE is the last straw for me. I can see logic in optioning EE(& Coffey) to give them a chance to relax and get back in the groove. To do so in a way that embarrasses the player is classless and needlessly harmís the clubsí relationship with that player and possibly the players development.
    I dont get it?? How has Narron or WK embarrassed EE and Coffey?? Being sent to the minors happens to players every day in MLB, why is this so bad?
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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

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    To do so in a way that embarrasses the player is classless and needlessly harm’s the clubs’ relationship with that player and possibly the players development.


    This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on these boards. There isn't a damn person who's "embarrassed" Edwin Encarnacion or Todd Coffey but themselves by playing like total crap since Opening Day.

    I swear, some people get on Jerry Narron for the sky not being blue enough.

    Nothing personal, Stingray.....but come on now.
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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    I can see logic in optioning EE(& Coffey) to give them a chance to relax and get back in the groove. To do so in a way that embarrasses the player is classless and needlessly harm’s the clubs’ relationship with that player and possibly the players development.
    I don't get it either. You didn't offer any reasons for why this demotion is any different than one to give EE "a chance to relax and get back in the groove." Why assume that this was "classless" and done to "embarrass the player"?

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    I also see nothing about this that was "classless."

    This shouldn't "harm" EE's relationship with the team. Remember that he's only in his 2nd full season in the big leagues; we're not talking about a perennial All-Star. His numbers simply don't give him the right to be upset at the move.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    IMHO, JN does not build the team... WK does.

    Jerry must utilize said team in a way that gives it the best possible chance of winning. Does he do that? Sometimes... sometimes not. Sometimes it's his fault, especially when it comes to the BP, but not always.
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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    i don't like JN as much as the next guy, but i really don't like our replacement.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    I dont get it?? How has Narron or WK embarrassed EE and Coffey?? Being sent to the minors happens to players every day in MLB, why is this so bad?

    He's treated Coffey with restraint. In EE's case he sits him after he doesn't run out a ball EE clearly thought he'd fouled back then options him the day after he makes a couple of errors even though he's been starting to hit the ball hard recently. Fielding wise, I'm sure he's got a much better fielding percentage at third this year than Free and much better range in the field than Freel or Castro.

    In my mind EE's clearly being scape goated by Narron. Yes, WK also has some responsibility in this area.
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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    I agree that Narron is not the guy to build a winner.

    Which, of course, is why he isn't the GM.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    I have to agree with the scape goating comment. I don't feel that it's been handled in a classless manner, but there are plenty of player's struggling so far this season, many with name recognition. True, Edwin doesn't have that reputation yet, but I don't really feel like him going to Louisville will change anything. The same move was made with Austin Kearns a few seasons ago, but really, how much of an impact did it have? Kearns is currently on another team.

    I like Encarnacion, and it's important to remember how young the guy still is. He's been one of MANY problems on this team, and if he gets sent down, they should also be sending down Ross, Valentin, the ENTIRE bullpen, etc. etc. etc. Maybe this move will work, which I hope it does. But it just looks to me like they were looking for a significant player to blame, and since Encarnacion is young, he was their man.

    Again, not saying it was classless... but I don't agree with the move. This team has way more problems than a still developing third baseman getting off to a slow start.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    I have to agree with the scape goating comment. I don't feel that it's been handled in a classless manner, but there are plenty of player's struggling so far this season, many with name recognition. True, Edwin doesn't have that reputation yet, but I don't really feel like him going to Louisville will change anything. The same move was made with Austin Kearns a few seasons ago, but really, how much of an impact did it have? Kearns is currently on another team.

    I like Encarnacion, and it's important to remember how young the guy still is. He's been one of MANY problems on this team, and if he gets sent down, they should also be sending down Ross, Valentin, the ENTIRE bullpen, etc. etc. etc. Maybe this move will work, which I hope it does. But it just looks to me like they were looking for a significant player to blame, and since Encarnacion is young, he was their man.

    Again, not saying it was classless... but I don't agree with the move. This team has way more problems than a still developing third baseman getting off to a slow start.
    But there are different circumstances and different realities. Ross, as has been noted often, is getting the job done behind the plate. I see Valentin as a non-issue. He's replaceable, if nothing else and don't see any need for someone like him to go down. Entirely different circumstances.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Jerry Narron has been given a better Owner, GM and pitching staff to work with than Dave Miley ever had and he still sucks.

    Miley was crucified throughout Reds Country.

    Narron has the media and half the Fanbase making excuses for him.

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    Doc said that he talked to Castellini today and that Narron will have a bit of a leash because the team overachieved last year. I don't know if I agree with that, but I do think he shouldn't be fired yet until the players can sort out some things. It's not his fault that the bullpen sucks.
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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    A couple things that bother me about the whole Narron-EE thing...

    First was how Narron benched EE for two games after he got a big two-out, two-strike, two-run single back on April 16th. That's the kind of hit that can get a player out of a slump, but Narron killed any momentum EE could've gotten out that by sitting him. I can't understand why Narron did that...

    Second is that despite all his struggles this year, EE is still getting it done when it counts. Not only is he hitting .276/.382/.488 w/RISP, but his 14 RBI w/RISP leads the Reds!

    I just have to wonder what would happen if Narron showed the same patience and protection with EE that he does with Hamilton...

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    Re: Narron is not the guy to build a Reds winner

    It's a convenient way to make sure Hamilton gets a lot of playing time.

    I'm not saying I don't like Hamilton in the lineup, because I definitely do... but still, it's convenient.
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