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    Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    I didn't know there was one.
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Well if you have 3 lefties back to back to back, the opposing manger can bring in one lefty specialist for all 3 batters...if you break them up, then the manager had to decide what to do about the righty....maybe they have to use 2 extra pitchers now...


    That's the thought process, I guess, but to me it sounds more like a manager outmanaging himself.....the opposing manager isn't going to panic because there's a righty breaking up the lefties. He'll simply bring in a different reliever and save the specialist for a different situation...

    Just put your best hitters in the best places for them to have success. If that means Griffey, Dunn, Hamilton...then so be it.
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Well said... I'd like to add that I've always found it funny that managers worry about that one time when the other manager brings in a lefty as opposed to the other 2 or 3 ABs that those hitters have...

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    It is only effective against bad managers or a team that has a lights out loogy.
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Against RH starters, I'd bat Hamilton, Griffey and Dunn all back-back-back, and go for the kill, big run innings, rather than playing to keep the game close and minimize "unwanted" match-ups in the 7th or 8th.

    I don't understand it either. Well, I understand what Jerry's trying to do, but why not go for the crooked numbers early, and avoid those 8th inning meltdowns?

    He certainly has the LH power to do it, he needs to use it!

    Did Ruth and Gehrig bat back-back in the order?

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Man..............you guys obviously are NOT baseball guys..............

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Well if you have 3 lefties back to back to back, the opposing manger can bring in one lefty specialist for all 3 batters...if you break them up, then the manager had to decide what to do about the righty....maybe they have to use 2 extra pitchers now...


    That's the thought process, I guess, but to me it sounds more like a manager outmanaging himself.....the opposing manager isn't going to panic because there's a righty breaking up the lefties. He'll simply bring in a different reliever and save the specialist for a different situation...

    Just put your best hitters in the best places for them to have success. If that means Griffey, Dunn, Hamilton...then so be it.
    You summed it up pretty well. However, as you hinted too, Narron holds to it way to much. Tonight's a perfect example. He splits up Griffey and Dunn with Conine. Griffey and Dunn are obviously better hitters, but he does it anyway.

    There's advantages to splitting up the lefites, but when you put a guy like Conine between them it does more hurt then harm.
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    It makes sense generally, just not for a team whose best hitters are all left handed.
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    I called Jerry Narron and asked him (we go way back) and he told me the advantage is 9 to 1 divided by the square root of scrappy. Then multiply that by 2 and it equals a quality lineup. How can you argue with that?

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by CWRed View Post
    I called Jerry Narron and asked him (we go way back) and he told me the advantage is 9 to 1 divided by the square root of scrappy. Then multiply that by 2 and it equals a quality lineup. How can you argue with that?
    ok, now I get it.

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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    One down side to not breaking up left handed hitters, is genius managers like Bob Boone are less prone to go out to the mound and make 3 consecutive pitching changes to 3 different batters in the same inning, leaving us all in awe over their ingenious, strategic moves!!!
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    There's a whole chapter devoted to it in "The Big Book of Baseball."
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    Re: Can anyone tell me the advantage of breaking up the lefty's in the lineup?

    I think breaking up lefties are stupid. There are very few lefties that I would break up my left handed hitters for. If your a pitcher would you rather face a 3,4,5 of Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn or face a lineup of Hamilton, Phillips, Griffey, Gonzo, Dunn. I think this is a situation when a manager tends to outthink himself and doesn't put the best lineup together. For example Griffey is a lefty and David Wells is a lefty yet Jr. has hit more hrs off wells than anyone else. When you are dealing with a game when a 70% fail rate is good I think that switching lineups to break up the lefties does more harm than good.


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