I'm East of you. Be very very worried. Not quite OBX. But, be worried.
So the Gang of 10 is more than a myth? :
I don't know what I would have done, but his sure as heck isn't it. It is simply put nothing more than a popularity contest.
When I became an ORG member I was happy that I could post anywhere on the site but I honestly wouldn't have cared either way. There have always been incredibly insightful posts in both forums and there has been a lot of great newcomers to this site in the last couple years. Not that I am one to give advice to you folks out there but if I were I would say, relax, enjoy, and don't feel persecuted because you can't post in a certain spot on a baseball message board. It's not worth being upset about and if you are spending a lot of time angry or concerned about it then you should be happy that you don't have bigger worries. There are still plenty of great discussions that will take place in the Sundeck and you can still gather a ton of Reds information from the site.
More often than not, when someone is telling me a story all I can think about is that I can't wait for them to finish so that I can tell my own story that's not only better, but also more directly involves me.
To be honest, I was a little upset that I wasn't let in either as I have been a member since 2000 and have paid my dues in more ways than one and as far as I know, have never broken any rules.
As far as post count, counting...I guess I understand that. It's not that I don't want to post. I just thought it was best I take a break from the baseball side of the board for a while. It became a very scary place to be and anyone who was here from the start would agree. Those who weren't have nothing to compare it to. The "clique" of people that get mentioned way to often are probably many of those people who were here and would like to see peace restored. If people decide to act like children, I think it may be best that they are treated like them. It's unfortunate though that the other 70% of the board has to pay.
All & all I believe Boss & GIK have done a great job with this board over the years. It has gone through change many times and those passionate about it have stuck around and dealt with it and I am sure they will again.
It honestly doesn't bother me too have lost ORG status, I understand why that is and I'm ok with it. Just another challenge for me in the end. What does bother me is that once you have "earned" your way there you can no longer post on the Sun Deck. I think that's the biggest tragedy here, it's got far less plusses than negatives.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."
Hey I just want my little picture back under my name
TC 81190 and 2001MUGrad, msg me if you find some place decent and I'll join you.
If you ain't first, you're last! - Ricky Bobby
Guys, this probably doesn't mean much (if anything) but it really was a very tough, long and mind-racking experience creating the ORG 'start up' list. It wasn't easy and we both knew we'd be called on it. It wouldn't have been right to farm the task out to anyone - it was our job, our call and we'll take all the heat for it.
I do want to say that with this system ORG membership is not concrete. You do have the ability to gain access, which some may receive shortly, via application or nomination. It may not be perfect, it may need 'tweeks' over time, but the foundation is solid and a much better way for us to ensure RedsZone - a place Boss and I have spent I don't know how many hours on - remains the place we envisioned it to be upon its creation in April of 2000.
I also hope you all decide to remain and contribute at The Sun Deck. I really do.
Does that question make sense
You cannot defeat an ignorant man in an argument!
-William Gibbs McAdoo
Though many of us here are sure trying
To echo others, there was a cadre of folks who volunteered not to remain in ORG. Boss and GIK disagreed. That's what it comes down to. What Boss and GIK want. Since it's their forum, built from the ground up and into, frankly, a rather smashing success, that's what matters.
There are some of those that are not now in, but were, whose input and insight I have valued and will continue to value. I hope, selfishly, that you continue to post on SunDeck. I like reading the stuff. I like the opinions. If you choose to move on, I understand, but you will be missed. Still, in the end, it's Boss and GIK's call, and that is what matters.
There are plenty of places to still "interact" as it were, including the minors forum. SOSH probably is the road map, and there are good reasons why the founders went that route. For those that just missed under the "necessary evil" of the first cut that they had to make, it's not permanent and I am hoping that a bunch of you are able to share ideas in ORG soon.
The question does make sense and is very valid. My compliments for making the question sincere and not simply a velied slam [or not so veiled slam] against Boss, GIK and co.
I may be speaking out of turn here, but I think the desire is for controlled growth of ORG. They wanted to take things back to the roots of where things started [you'll note a great deal of the members are some of the original members obviously not all, but many] and they wanted to grow it from there. I suspect many of those that were 'close' on the list will be brought back in over the next few weeks and months. That clearly doesn't mean everyone who had access will immediately regain it, but in time they will have the opportunity. Everyone has that opportunity and while controlled growth is desired, I don't think Boss and GIK will allow people to sit outside looking in, just because of a numbers game in the long term.
Championships for MY teams in my lifetime:
Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90
Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13
University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98
Yeah. I'm coming from the other side. Rightly or wrongly I retained org status. FWIW, this morning there were several interesting posts on the sundeck that I wanted to weigh in with my opinion. Can't do it. There was nothing in the ORG that I felt I could contribute to. (There is a really fine thread about Freel's baserunning. I just don't have anything to add to it)When I became an ORG member I was happy that I could post anywhere on the site but I honestly wouldn't have cared either way. There have always been incredibly insightful posts in both forums and there has been a lot of great newcomers to this site in the last couple years.
I really don't like having part of the site cut off. The ability to interact with posters tells me a great deal about them. Without the ability to do that, I'm not sure how meaningful any vote will be.
That sounds...jerkier than I mean for it to. The quality of discourse here is great. I don't think there is anyplace reds focused on the net that has better discussion. I understand a moderator has to do what a moderator has to do.
"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
I've also been "Encarnacioned" to the Sun Deck which greatly aggravates me. I don't recall ever breaking any rules and I had a pretty good reputation, from what I recall.
I even made a donation to the site this year and was planning to do so annually.
This just seems capricious and arbitrary. I have not yet decided if I will stick around.
This post is BABIP-lucky.