Lets all take a deep breath.

[WVRed]

Before everybody starts packing their things and leaving, I want to applaud the decision made by Boss and GIK. Since this forum has been split today and this new board was created, I have seen many posters vent their frustrations about it and feel like they have been suckerpunched in doing so.

I have made attempts at starting message boards for the Bengals and Kentucky Wildcats, as well as attempts in running sim leagues, none of which were ANYWHERE NEAR as successful as Redszone. However, this website has been growing and is at a point where this decision had to be made due to the quality of the board degenerating. Trust me when I say that this was not an easy decision for them to make.

To those of you who are on the outside of the ORG and looking in as well as to those who are new to the board, take time to read the posts in ORG and learn. I'm not saying you have to copy a specific poster or quote Bill James, Sabremetrics, or whatever, but just take the time to learn what makes a quality post and what doesn't.

Take it from me, I started posting on the Cincinnati.com board when I was 14, which would probably make me one of the youngest posters at the time the board was created. I joined, but I had an altercation and was banned but allowed to return. I learned the hard way that if I was going to stay here that I was going to have to grow up and conform to the standards that were set in place not only by Boss and GIK, but the veteran posters who were here originally.

I could have left for other message boards(Fanhome was popular at the time), but I wanted to stay because I knew that in time that this board would be very special. The decision that Boss and GIK have made in regards to the board I believe will be very beneficial to the site and you will see not only more growth on Redszone, but a lot better quality. We might see some posters weeded out, but that's life.

To Boss and GIK, hats off to you guys. If we had the reputation system still in place, I don't think there could be enough to give out. Not only to you guys, but the mods as well. Chip, Paint, Joseph, Zombie, R4L, macro and Ochre. You guys have the most thankless and merciless job on this board and it is very appreciated.

Thanks for everything, and I honestly believe that this board will continue to grow and thrive.

[Reds Freak]

Good post WV. If I have learned one thing from reading RedsZone for the past six years it is that overreaction is a way of life around here. Another thing that is part of the culture of the board is that we are all very passionate about Reds baseball and the relationships that we create with other Reds and baseball fans on this board. Any drastic change to the board, to the team, to the front office is most likely going to illicit this type of response. While I am skeptical of the changes, I am willing to see how the change plays out in the long run...

[jimbo]

To those of you who are on the outside of the ORG and looking in as well as to those who are new to the board, take time to read the posts in ORG and learn. I'm not saying you have to copy a specific poster or quote Bill James, Sabremetrics, or whatever, but just take the time to learn what makes a quality post and what doesn't.

The thing is that many of us have displayed this by earning the required rep points to become a member of the ORG. We came and played by the rules and were told we were deserving. I sure has heck never got 30 rep points by one poster at one time. I also understand the need to revamp the system but can't understand the reasoning for punishing those who did everything by the book from day one.

I've done said my peace and this will be the last I say anything about it because I don't want to be disrespectful. I respect the fact that this house belongs to Boss-Hog and GIK and you must live by their rules if you want to be a part of it. It's a great forum and still most likely will continue to be, but having said that, I doubt I will be a part of it much anymore because it makes me feel like I'm back in high school in the sense I was never a part of the popular cliques even back then.

[Dracodave]

The thing is that many of us have displayed this by earning the required rep points to become a member of the ORG. We came and played by the rules and were told we were deserving. I sure has heck never got 30 rep points by one poster at one time. I also understand the need to revamp the system but can't understand the reasoning for punishing those who did everything by the book from day one.

I've done said my peace and this will be the last I say anything about it because I don't want to be disrespectful. I respect the fact that this house belongs to Boss-Hog and GIK and you must live by their rules if you want to be a part of it. It's a great forum and still most likely will continue to be, but having said that, I doubt I will be a part of it much anymore because it makes me feel like I'm back in high school in the sense I was never a part of the popular cliques even back then.

I voiced my opinioned twice, about how bad (I used the word sucks) a player was and how dumb (I used the word stupid) trade idea have gotten. I got rep points for calling the trade idea's dumb and at the same time I got a 20%warning for it, because I was mean.

I dont care if that was holding me out of the ORG or not, but the truth is..I have no intention of ever applying to get back into it...just as the mods and the rest of the board has no intention of ever letting me into it.

[George Foster]

The thing is that many of us have displayed this by earning the required rep points to become a member of the ORG. We came and played by the rules and were told we were deserving. I sure has heck never got 30 rep points by one poster at one time. I also understand the need to revamp the system but can't understand the reasoning for punishing those who did everything by the book from day one.

I've done said my peace and this will be the last I say anything about it because I don't want to be disrespectful. I respect the fact that this house belongs to Boss-Hog and GIK and you must live by their rules if you want to be a part of it. It's a great forum and still most likely will continue to be, but having said that, I doubt I will be a part of it much anymore because it makes me feel like I'm back in high school in the sense I was never a part of the popular cliques even back then.

I did it the right way too my friend. 4900 posts +- and 431 points. I posted everynight on the game thread which I loved to do.

[WVPacman]

This is just terrible news for me!

[WVPacman]

I don't know what to say about the changes!! Im at a lost for words.All the hard work that I put into this site just went down the drain and im back at the bottom again.Listen guys I'll be the first to tell you that im not as smart as half of the posters on here.I don't write well thought out posts as all of the others do but it truly is not my fault.I really hate and I mean I really hate bringing this out in the open but I feel it needs to come out so ALL OF YOU can understand me better.The main reason why my posts does'nt have all the well thought out details like all of your guys post's does is b/c I was born with cyerabl Pausey all down the right side of my body,There for it made my body slower and thought process slower.

I don't want to hear no im sorrys or I feel bad for you posts b/c I've heard them all.When the rep points started I had to start from 0 and work myself up to 200 points.You guys don't know how hard that was for me to win all the main posters trust!! and when I did I was the happest poster on here b/c I knew I done a great thing by showing you I was worthy to post with the big boys.

Now all of a sudden tonight I find myself back at the bottom and it hurts b/c I put everything I had to reach the top(The ORG)I know I will never be voted in by the members and it hurts but I can't do a thing about it.The main thing that im trying to say is I wish the mods would have though things threw better b/c this decision really hurt more people than it helped b/c everybody isn't the same!! Some people really does have something wrong with them and can't help it..I can honestly say were I worked so hard it feels like it was all for nothing.I honestly feel like i've been punched in the stomich and kicked all over the ground.

[George Foster]

I don't know what to say about the changes!! Im at a lost for words.All the hard work that I put into this site just went down the drain and im back at the bottom again.Listen guys I'll be the first to tell you that im not as smart as half of the posters on here.I don't write well thought out posts as all of the others do but it truly is not my fault.I really hate and I mean I really hate bringing this out in the open but I feel it needs to come out so ALL OF YOU can understand me better.The main reason why my posts does'nt have all the well thought out details like all of your guys post's does is b/c I was born with cyerabl Pausey all down the right side of my body,There for it made my body slower and thought process slower.

I don't want to hear no im sorrys or I feel bad for you posts b/c I've heard them all.When the rep points started I had to start from 0 and work myself up to 200 points.You guys don't know how hard that was for me to win all the main posters trust!! and when I did I was the happest poster on here b/c I knew I done a great thing by showing you I was worthy to post with the big boys.

Now all of a sudden tonight I find myself back at the bottom and it hurts b/c I put everything I had to reach the top(The ORG)I know I will never be voted in by the members and it hurts but I can't do a thing about it.The main thing that im trying to say is I wish the mods would have though things threw better b/c this decision really hurt more people than it helped b/c everybody isn't the same!! Some people really does have something wrong with them and can't help it..I can honestly say were I worked so hard it feels like it was all for nothing.I honestly feel like i've been punched in the stomich and kicked all over the ground.

you the man Pacman You are a great poster. You don't need their approval. You got my approval, and I respect you.

[savafan]

It's about growing pains and learning curves, and sometimes, you just have to start over. For the record, WVPacman, you know I love you! I know your story from our PM conversations in the past. But don't give up hope guys, seriously, this isn't the end of the world.

I'm already seeing the quality of posts in The Sun Deck improving, and it hasn't even been a full 24 hours yet.

And, for the record, just like WVRed, I also did some foolish things when I first came over to this board way back in the day, and I took my ban/suspension (whatever the proper term was...), was angry for a day, waited it out and got on with my life, then once I was allowed to post on here again, I always remembered to check myself before I hit the "post reply" button.

There is no clique, there is not "elite" membership group. We're all fans of the same team, and if we were all going out to a game together, I wouldn't care if I was sitting with Dracodave, TeamSelig, GAC, or the Teamsters...I respect you all the same.

Truly, everyone of you who has posted on this thread so far are among my favorite posters to read. So, right now, The Sun Deck is your board. It will be what you make it. Just keep doing what you've done all along, and trust me, people will take notice.

[redsmetz]

It's about growing pains and learning curves, and sometimes, you just have to start over. For the record, WVPacman, you know I love you! I know your story from our PM conversations in the past. But don't give up hope guys, seriously, this isn't the end of the world.

I'm already seeing the quality of posts in The Sun Deck improving, and it hasn't even been a full 24 hours yet.

And, for the record, just like WVRed, I also did some foolish things when I first came over to this board way back in the day, and I took my ban/suspension (whatever the proper term was...), was angry for a day, waited it out and got on with my life, then once I was allowed to post on here again, I always remembered to check myself before I hit the "post reply" button.

There is no clique, there is not "elite" membership group. We're all fans of the same team, and if we were all going out to a game together, I wouldn't care if I was sitting with Dracodave, TeamSelig, GAC, or the Teamsters...I respect you all the same.

Truly, everyone of you who has posted on this thread so far are among my favorite posters to read. So, right now, The Sun Deck is your board. It will be what you make it. Just keep doing what you've done all along, and trust me, people will take notice.

I have to echo what Savafan said. I'm thrilled to see so many on the Sun Deck getting a chance for their voice to be heard.

[Falls City Beer]

I'd like to talk to a lot of the kicked-out folks through other avenues than PM. If folks do go to another site, pm me, and I'll drop in.

[WVRed]

I'd like to talk to a lot of the kicked-out folks through other avenues than PM. If folks do go to another site, pm me, and I'll drop in.

A lot of members are switching over to Strike 3. It is ran by missionhockey(who either used to post here or still currently does). There are some good Reds fans over there currently and I am in a keeper fantasy league with some of the members there, but the rules are a lot more laid back than Redszone and I think some members will be more welcome there than over here.

The only complaint I have with Strike 3 was that I referenced Redszone back when we signed Eric Milton(Saw it on Redszone) and my post was edited to "another Reds message board". Apparently you are not allowed to reference other forums.

[TeamBoone]

I have to echo what Savafan said. I'm thrilled to see so many on the Sun Deck getting a chance for their voice to be heard.

Heard? yes. Considered? not so much.

[Ltlabner]

Heard? yes. Considered? not so much.

I don't know. I've been reading over the posts on SD. It's refreshing to hear input from people who basically been drowned out over the years. I don't necessarly agree with all of it (as if I ever would), but it's nice to see different schools of thought being explored without someone getting bulldozed.

[Shaggy Sanchez]

I don't know. I've been reading over the posts on SD. It's refreshing to hear input from people who basically been drowned out over the years. I don't necessarly agree with all of it (as if I ever would), but it's nice to see different schools of thought being explored without someone getting bulldozed.

Doesn't that say something about the board in general if all of a sudden people are noticing posters that have been posting for years. It almost sounds as if you are saying that when the current members of ORG were able to post everywhere than all the non ORG members were always wrong and pushed aside. I always thought different schools of thought were always presented and if the people aren't now getting bulldozed what does that say about where the problem might have been.