Agreed on that, especially the first part.
I've seen you compare Bonderman a couple times with Bailey. It may be a fair comp age-wise, but IIRC, Bonderman had major league command of 2 pitches (fastball, slider) when he was brought up to the majors. He also had a changeup and a curve that was an average - above average pitch, but he had trouble commanding them. Still, if he was having problems locating his fastball, he had his slider to go to. Also, he would have lost 20 games that first year had they not skipped his starts at the end of the year. He finished with 19 L's, a 5.56 ERA, a 1.55 WHIP, allowed 23 HR's.
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Red Leader, I was dead serious that I would not flinch if Bailey had a rough go of it in Cincy, and am fully aware of what Bonderman's first year was. I am also aware of the success it has laid the groundwork for.
Again, it's simply a philosophical difference at this point, and neither side, frankly, is wrong. Or right. There are no guarantees that whatever they do is the right thing to do. Or not do.
But if it were me, I would bring him up in June about 24 hours after the window closes to start his Super 2 stuff early. That's me.
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But would Bonderman have still gone through an adjustment upon getting up in 2005? I say yes. Perhaps it would not have been like 2003, but he also would not have gone straight to his 2005 numbers I don't imagine. The work he did in Detroit in 2003 and 2004 paved the way for his 2005...
I'd pay 5-7 million for Bonderman's 2004--it was a better season than what Harang's putting up currently, in a much tougher offensive division.
Bonderman's career arc has been about all you can ask for. Plus he looks like Powder combined with Michael Chiklis--which is rad.
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