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    Exactly my question--that presupposes adjustments made at AAA would transfer to MLB success.

    I'd pay 5-7 million for Bonderman's 2004--it was a better season than what Harang's putting up currently, in a much tougher offensive division.

    Bonderman's career arc has been about all you can ask for. Plus he looks like Powder combined with Michael Chiklis--which is rad.
    Bailey's career arc has been one of emphatic developmental dominance. And it has been fun to watch. Too bad you are analyzing it from your computer, instead of watching him pitch. If you saw him pitch and Jay Bruce hit, you would see young talent the Reds have not had since Adam Dunn. I'm really sorry for you, you're missing something unique and special in not appreciating these two special talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread View Post
    Bailey's career arc has been one of emphatic developmental dominance. And it has been fun to watch. Too bad you are analyzing it from your computer, instead of watching him pitch. If you saw him pitch and Jay Bruce hit, you would see young talent the Reds have not had since Adam Dunn. I'm really sorry for you, you're missing something unique and special in not appreciating these two special talents.
    See, this is what's wrong with this board--one questioning take on a minor league arm and it's all out the window.

    I don't know how many times I've stated my admiration for Bruce as a player and a prospect. To me, he's far more valuable to the future of the franchise than Bailey. He's bar none the Reds' best prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    See, this is what's wrong with this board--one questioning take on a minor league arm and it's all out the window.

    I don't know how many times I've stated my admiration for Bruce as a player and a prospect. To me, he's far more valuable to the future of the franchise than Bailey. He's bar none the Reds' best prospect.

    Bruce is very important....but without pitching, it won't matter how good he is...they won't win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    See, this is what's wrong with this board--one questioning take on a minor league arm and it's all out the window.

    I don't know how many times I've stated my admiration for Bruce as a player and a prospect. To me, he's far more valuable to the future of the franchise than Bailey. He's bar none the Reds' best prospect.
    I was too quick to criticise you about Bruce; I was mistaken.
    Just as you were very critical of Bonderman. Last year when he pitched against the Reds, I remember debating his merits with you - you though he was a mediocrity. It looks like you changed your mind since then. Perhaps that will happen with Bailey, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    See, this is what's wrong with this board--one questioning take on a minor league arm and it's all out the window.

    I don't know how many times I've stated my admiration for Bruce as a player and a prospect. To me, he's far more valuable to the future of the franchise than Bailey. He's bar none the Reds' best prospect.
    It never ends here, does it?
    I hope it's never sunny in Philly again.

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    Bailey is much more valuable than Bruce for the Reds future. Bruce, while a good prospect, is overvalued on these boards. He isn't a sure thing "superstar" like so many believe. Matter of fact, he more than likely becomes a 'good player' but not a superstar.

    If Bailey turns into a "ace" pitcher, great, but if he "just" turns into typical number 2, that is much better than Bruce turning into a good player.

    Starting pitching is the lifeblood of a franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    Bailey is much more valuable than Bruce for the Reds future. Bruce, while a good prospect, is overvalued on these boards. He isn't a sure thing "superstar" like so many believe. Matter of fact, he more than likely becomes a 'good player' but not a superstar.

    If Bailey turns into a "ace" pitcher, great, but if he "just" turns into typical number 2, that is much better than Bruce turning into a good player.

    Starting pitching is the lifeblood of a franchise.

    I agree here. Bruce seems to be looked upon as a sure thing to go .320/.400./.600 here. Which I think he can, but he's not a lock.
    I hope it's never sunny in Philly again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    Bailey is much more valuable than Bruce for the Reds future. Bruce, while a good prospect, is overvalued on these boards. He isn't a sure thing "superstar" like so many believe. Matter of fact, he more than likely becomes a 'good player' but not a superstar.

    If Bailey turns into a "ace" pitcher, great, but if he "just" turns into typical number 2, that is much better than Bruce turning into a good player.

    Starting pitching is the lifeblood of a franchise.
    As much as you hate it, yes, Jay Bruce is a future superstar.

    Jay Bruce is the best hitting prospect in baseball.

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    As much as you hate it, yes, Jay Bruce is a future superstar.

    Jay Bruce is the best hitting prospect in baseball.
    Uh, I guess you have not seen what Justin Upton has done in the UPPER minors eh?

    Bruce MAY be a superstar, but everybody thought Kearns and Dunn would be superstars by this time as well. Lets keep a little perspective.

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    As much as you hate it, yes, Jay Bruce is a future superstar.

    Jay Bruce is the best hitting prospect in baseball.
    I hope he is as good as I think he will be.

    And I think right now I'd take Upton as the best, but thats like saying Beltran is better than Wells.
    I hope it's never sunny in Philly again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    Uh, I guess you have not seen what Justin Upton has done in the UPPER minors eh?

    Bruce MAY be a superstar, but everybody thought Kearns and Dunn would be superstars by this time as well. Lets keep a little perspective.
    And relative to age and level, Jay Bruce is so far ahead of both of them its not even funny.

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    And relative to age and level, Jay Bruce is so far ahead of both of them its not even funny.
    Yeah, but Dunn's development was delayed abit with football. Kearns simply(at least IMO) didn't have the ceiling we thought he had. Once the major league pitchers figured him out, he declined(Ray King or no Ray King).

    Maybe Bruce destroys the upper minors next year like Upton is this year, but that still doesn't make a sure superstar. It isn't "how far along" are you, but "how good are you going to be". His major league time will make that call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    Yeah, but Dunn's development was delayed abit with football. Kearns simply(at least IMO) didn't have the ceiling we thought he had. Once the major league pitchers figured him out, he declined(Ray King or no Ray King).

    Maybe Bruce destroys the upper minors next year like Upton is this year, but that still doesn't make a sure superstar. It isn't "how far along" are you, but "how good are you going to be". His major league time will make that call.
    Jay will hit just fine in AA this year, count on that one.

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    Re: My own odd thoughts on Homer Bailey

    combined minor league numbers
    23- 12
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    69 games
    307 IP.... 235 hits and 136 walks with 333 K's
    14 home runs (1 per 22 innings)

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