Santos is my bet for the first player sent packing (as opposed to optioned to the minors). He's pitched poorly, as little to no upside and has no contract investment to "protect". But guys like Salmon will likley be optioned prior to anyone getting released.
Over the span of the next 30-45 days, we have a chance to both remove much of the aging driftwood from this squad, and to use the remainder of this season to evaluate which youngsters belong in the bullpen of the future. Anything derailing, or even indefinitely delaying, that tactic, contributes to having a repeat performance of our pitching woes in 2008 (and further bolsters Krivsky's currently misguided bullpen construction philosophy, which is the real danger). Anything which gives him a reason to continue to build bullpens as he has in his first 2 seasons, allocating too much money, resources and roster space to washed out veteran soft tossers over the task of actually evaluating the youngsters on an extended basis.
We have a chance to mold the core of a good bullpen, for the first time since we developed our own model from within with Sully, Williamson, Graves (acquired as a prospect), White etc... and to then supplement them with the proper veteran depth. We've been too busy the past 2 seasons, seeing if other teams' jettisoned journeyman (Cormier, Schoeneweis, Stanton, Guardado, Saarloos, Mercker, Hammond, White, Franklin et al...) can form the nucleus of a bullpen, rather than developing youngsters around a few key veterans.
When, and if Guardado is ready, Krivsky should bite the bullet of his past errors, and start to make room by shaving guys like Stanton from the roster; by sending Majewski back out if he continues to utterly underwhelm; by trying to turn Weathers (whom I love for his leadership and grit) career season into a nice trade return for our future; by building up Santos stock with an eye towards moving him, or releasing him etc...
My greatest fear regarding this bullpen is that a slight winning streak, and the return of a few of the ailing vets a.) leads Krivsky to thinking that we are competetive, and that our best bet at heading back towards .500 is to ride the veterans, and that b.) after the All-Star break, we find our bullpen to be Guardado, Weathers, Santos, Stanton, Majewski, Coffey (and maybe one youngster). Consequently, we're back to square one, heading into 2008 with a viable, long-term bullpen still needing to be constructed, forever, putting off any semblance of rebuilding, due to wistfully thinking we're contending right now.
Last edited by Stormy; 05-31-2007 at 02:05 PM.
I let Easy Eddie toil in the minors until the trading deadline. I ride Stanton, Majewski, Weathers until that deadline also. I try to make them into something tradeable but, if I can't get a bag of balls for any of them, I eat Stanton's contract, possibly stick with Weathers for awhile and option the Majic Man, if possible.
Burton stays. Santos goes on the trading block until I can't wait any longer then he's bilge water. Coutalangus stays. Salmon stays.
I fill from there depending on which side I need the arm to swing from.
I don't think he's pitched that poorly. He certainly saved Bronson's bacon in that game against the Nats. He's a long reliever and no one else in this bullpen is. Bet the farm we're going to need someone like that a few more times this year. Now if you want to call Homer up and put him in that role, I'd be all for letting Santos go. But Wayne isnt going to do that so we might as well keep Santos in that spot.
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Stormy for GM. Cyclone for Special Ass't to the GM in charge of analysis. Problems solved.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
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Has anybody seen any tendency during the Narron era that they are really trying to see what players have as opposed to trying to win every game out? There's a subtle difference there isn't there?
In mid-September last year, Narron gave some quotes indicating that he expected to play Brandon Phillips at shortstop for the rest of the year in order to sort out if Phillips could do it. The experiment lasted two days. Now...I understand, the cards were losing it and the reds nearly crept into the playoffs even thought the team was miserable, but...two games, one of which was played in a downpour and called off after five innings. That was a 9 inning tryout.
Look at the way the bench is constructed....Old guys with specific skills. Glove boy, Right handed bat, Left handed bat, Spare catcher, fast versatile guy. Look at the bullpen that has been assembled two years in a row by different GM's, guys that can "pitch every night" and a staff of pitchers that can "fill multiple roles".
If the reds are not intent on winning right now (and agree that they shouldn't be) can Jerry Narron manage in a way such that the goal is to sort out the talent the organization has and not maximize the chance that you win every night? I've seen no indication that this is the case.
Last edited by dfs; 05-31-2007 at 02:17 PM.
"Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010
Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
Reds fans to management: "Stop trying to win. Fire the manager -- he's trying to win."
I understand why it makes sense, but I don't expect any team to say, "We'll lose 120 games, but at least we'll know more about Burton and Coutlangus."