Dunn is no worse in left than slightly below average. There are a number of LF's doing worse than him this year.
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As far as salty goes. What are some thoughts on him? I know nothing about his ML time and he's only had 32 AB's at the MLB level. Does he project to stay at C or is he the type who's bat may mean a position change soon?
The Braves have flat out stated he won't unseat their franchise catcher so I'm just curious how good this guy can be? We have an all glove no hit cheapie in house all ready. How much of your resources do you expend in aquiring this guy?
Also, I assume his bat is significantly better than Ross's (who's isn't) but how does he stack up against Ross's glove? Does WK want to sacrifice some D to get some pop from the C spot?
If Salty doesn't work out at first or in the outfield I would expect the Braves to entertain offers for him. From all the reports I have heard they want a lot in return for this prospect. Griffey won't get it done and neither will Dunn straight up, my opinion though.
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I wouldn't want to make that move if we looked like a contender this year, but if we're not, it comes down to Dunn's 2008 versus Saltalamacchia's next five-plus seasons, and that's a pretty easy call for me.
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As before on the other threads on this, I am all for Wk having hopefully already placed a call on Salty. And, I absolutely think there is a deal that makes sense for both clubs that can be made.
Would anyone feel good about this braintrust (and their strange ideas about the catcher position) having the patience to bring along a guy like Saltamacchia?
I'd be in favor of it if they worked out a deal (not involving Dunn), but I'd also be a little bit leery of how they would handle him.
A deal like that should cure a problem spot, not muddy the situation.
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Maybe the problem is more to do with the personnel rather than the ideas. I mean even if you combined the best attributes of all three of our catchers you still wouldn't have an above average ML catcher. Sure WK is responsible for putting together the 3-headed monster, but really the catching position is a hard one to fill. That's why I would be sorely tempted by the deal. If the Reds had a decent catcher, maybe they wouldn't feel they needed to carry two more.
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At this point, I'm not even sure they look at it as having three catchers. It's more like two catchers and Designated Lefty Pinch-Hitter Guy, which is a useful thing to have in the NL, I'm just not as enamored with Valentin as they are.
If this deal ever happened, we could be looking at this a year from now:
LF/CF: New Guy
If EE's defense settles down for good, then we're looking at adding a right-handed power bat for left field, or maybe it's a leadoff-hitter type we don't otherwise have. But folks, that lineup looks pretty dadgum solid, both at bat and in the field. Gonzalez excepted, it's also young and with the career peaks still ahead. Which means, of course, we couldn't get so lucky.
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I proposed Votto for Salty last night. If Salty is being tried at 1B, then they must be looking for a 1B. I don't like the idea of trading Votto, but I'd rather havethe catcher. As for the braves, not sure the corporate run team would take on any money. The Reds would need to pay a lot of Salary and I wouldn't trade Dunn and pay the money. Griffey I would. But Votto works better for Atlanta. They may want a young pitcher to boot.
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The Braves know they have a strength at a position that 26 other teams will salivate over. Call me pessimistic, but I think the Braves will be bidding Salty's potential to the highest possible denominator. Unless the Braves really want Junior, the Reds need to find the highest available catcher in the draft and go for it.
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There's a whole thread on this that was started a couple of days ago that has some other views:
Votto would be an even trade, though I'd much rather trade away Dunn for the aforementioned reasons that DougDirt pointed out....the poor defense in LF and the high cost of retaining Dunn.
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