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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    maybe, but I would first offer Dunn a four year deal at 13mil per, just to see if he might be willing to take a hometown discount.

    With Grif, Hatteberg, Milton and Lohse coming off the books, and every position except C (including the top 3 rotation spots) locked up cheaply for the next 3-4 years, I would give him that kind of money. Everyone wants payflex, but then we should do something with that money once we have it. I know Homer, EE, BP, Hamilton, Votto, and Bruce will eventually be arb-eligible, but thats at least two more years away before they even make over a mil. No one around here advocates signing any big name FA pitcher to these monstrous five year $100 million contracts they're giving out these days (a la Zito, Zambrano, etc.) so who exactly are we going to pay? Gil Meche for $55 million anyone? Now that AH and BA are signed over the next four years, if anyone is gonna make $13 mil per it should be Dunn.
    I dont think that he would take 13 million per considering thats how much he is set to make next year. I may be wrong, but I just don't see that. I also don't think if anyone should be making 13 million per that it is Dunn. He is all offense and no defense. Some teams can afford to pay guys that, but I dont think the Reds can. His defense is so bad it takes away from what his bat does put up for the Reds.

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    Re: Salty solution

    Dunn is no worse in left than slightly below average. There are a number of LF's doing worse than him this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Dunn is no worse in left than slightly below average. There are a number of LF's doing worse than him this year.
    Not that I watch every player who plays LF, but historically Dunn has been attrocious in LF to the tune of 20 + outs below the average LF a year. While I think he has improved some this season, he is still really bad out there and probably will cost this team 15 outs that an average fielder would have made out there.

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    Re: Salty solution

    As far as salty goes. What are some thoughts on him? I know nothing about his ML time and he's only had 32 AB's at the MLB level. Does he project to stay at C or is he the type who's bat may mean a position change soon?

    The Braves have flat out stated he won't unseat their franchise catcher so I'm just curious how good this guy can be? We have an all glove no hit cheapie in house all ready. How much of your resources do you expend in aquiring this guy?

    Also, I assume his bat is significantly better than Ross's (who's isn't) but how does he stack up against Ross's glove? Does WK want to sacrifice some D to get some pop from the C spot?

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    If Salty doesn't work out at first or in the outfield I would expect the Braves to entertain offers for him. From all the reports I have heard they want a lot in return for this prospect. Griffey won't get it done and neither will Dunn straight up, my opinion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would trade them Dunn straight up for Salty and run with it.
    With the precondition that Saltalamacchia's defense is good enough to stay behind the dish for the next several years -- and that's not something I have an opinion on; I only know the Braves think McCann's defense is better -- I tend to agree with you. A sweet-hitting catcher is a rare thing. It's not unreasonable to suggest Salty will be as valuable in a VORP context over the next five years as Dunn, and that's not even considering what else we can spend Dunn's money on (like a right-handed thumper to play left field) until Salty hits arbitration.

    I wouldn't want to make that move if we looked like a contender this year, but if we're not, it comes down to Dunn's 2008 versus Saltalamacchia's next five-plus seasons, and that's a pretty easy call for me.
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    Re: Salty solution

    As before on the other threads on this, I am all for Wk having hopefully already placed a call on Salty. And, I absolutely think there is a deal that makes sense for both clubs that can be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    With the precondition that Saltalamacchia's defense is good enough to stay behind the dish for the next several years -- and that's not something I have an opinion on; I only know the Braves think McCann's defense is better -- I tend to agree with you. A sweet-hitting catcher is a rare thing. It's not unreasonable to suggest Salty will be as valuable in a VORP context over the next five years as Dunn, and that's not even considering what else we can spend Dunn's money on (like a right-handed thumper to play left field) until Salty hits arbitration.

    I wouldn't want to make that move if we looked like a contender this year, but if we're not, it comes down to Dunn's 2008 versus Saltalamacchia's next five-plus seasons, and that's a pretty easy call for me.
    Especially considering that three of our best young players are lefty thumpers, two of which play outfield. Dunn for Saltalamacchia, assuming Salty is not just hype, I'd have to make that deal. Good hitting catchers are hard to find.

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    Re: Salty solution

    Would anyone feel good about this braintrust (and their strange ideas about the catcher position) having the patience to bring along a guy like Saltamacchia?

    I'd be in favor of it if they worked out a deal (not involving Dunn), but I'd also be a little bit leery of how they would handle him.

    A deal like that should cure a problem spot, not muddy the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Would anyone feel good about this braintrust (and their strange ideas about the catcher position) having the patience to bring along a guy like Saltamacchia?

    I'd be in favor of it if they worked out a deal (not involving Dunn), but I'd also be a little bit leery of how they would handle him.

    A deal like that should cure a problem spot, not muddy the situation.
    Tough question.

    Maybe the problem is more to do with the personnel rather than the ideas. I mean even if you combined the best attributes of all three of our catchers you still wouldn't have an above average ML catcher. Sure WK is responsible for putting together the 3-headed monster, but really the catching position is a hard one to fill. That's why I would be sorely tempted by the deal. If the Reds had a decent catcher, maybe they wouldn't feel they needed to carry two more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Would anyone feel good about this braintrust (and their strange ideas about the catcher position) having the patience to bring along a guy like Saltamacchia?

    I'd be in favor of it if they worked out a deal (not involving Dunn), but I'd also be a little bit leery of how they would handle him.

    A deal like that should cure a problem spot, not muddy the situation.
    Why dont you want the deal involving Dunn? Do you really think he resigns with the Reds? If so, how much money do you think he will sign for? And then, do you really think its smart to sign someone like Adam Dunn for that much money?

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    At this point, I'm not even sure they look at it as having three catchers. It's more like two catchers and Designated Lefty Pinch-Hitter Guy, which is a useful thing to have in the NL, I'm just not as enamored with Valentin as they are.

    If this deal ever happened, we could be looking at this a year from now:

    C: Saltalamacchia
    1B: Votto
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Gonzalez
    3B: Encarnacion
    RF: Bruce
    CF/LF: Hamilton
    LF/CF: New Guy

    If EE's defense settles down for good, then we're looking at adding a right-handed power bat for left field, or maybe it's a leadoff-hitter type we don't otherwise have. But folks, that lineup looks pretty dadgum solid, both at bat and in the field. Gonzalez excepted, it's also young and with the career peaks still ahead. Which means, of course, we couldn't get so lucky.
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    Re: Salty solution

    I proposed Votto for Salty last night. If Salty is being tried at 1B, then they must be looking for a 1B. I don't like the idea of trading Votto, but I'd rather havethe catcher. As for the braves, not sure the corporate run team would take on any money. The Reds would need to pay a lot of Salary and I wouldn't trade Dunn and pay the money. Griffey I would. But Votto works better for Atlanta. They may want a young pitcher to boot.
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    Re: Salty solution

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    At this point, I'm not even sure they look at it as having three catchers. It's more like two catchers and Designated Lefty Pinch-Hitter Guy, which is a useful thing to have in the NL, I'm just not as enamored with Valentin as they are.

    If this deal ever happened, we could be looking at this a year from now:

    C: Saltalamacchia
    1B: Votto
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Gonzalez
    3B: Encarnacion
    RF: Bruce
    CF/LF: Hamilton
    LF/CF: New Guy

    If EE's defense settles down for good, then we're looking at adding a right-handed power bat for left field, or maybe it's a leadoff-hitter type we don't otherwise have. But folks, that lineup looks pretty dadgum solid, both at bat and in the field. Gonzalez excepted, it's also young and with the career peaks still ahead. Which means, of course, we couldn't get so lucky.
    IslandRed, due to the FO's mandate of "Scrappiness", it is conceivable that the word New Guy could change to Freel and there are certainly a lot worse candidates.

    The Braves know they have a strength at a position that 26 other teams will salivate over. Call me pessimistic, but I think the Braves will be bidding Salty's potential to the highest possible denominator. Unless the Braves really want Junior, the Reds need to find the highest available catcher in the draft and go for it.
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    Re: Salty solution

    There's a whole thread on this that was started a couple of days ago that has some other views:

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58691


    Votto would be an even trade, though I'd much rather trade away Dunn for the aforementioned reasons that DougDirt pointed out....the poor defense in LF and the high cost of retaining Dunn.
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