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    Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

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    What would you want back from the Padres for Dunner?
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    I don't see much of a match with the Padres. They aren't giving up Peavy. Linebrink and Heath Bell might interest me (and there's always Germano ), but not for AD. There would also need to be at least one (or more) solid bat(s) and/or a frontline young catcher in return and there's not much in the SD system that does much for me.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Based off what I can see of the Padres farm system, I'd just assume keep Dunn for 2 years, let him walk, and take the extra picks.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Justin Germano...


    heh.


    Serious answer? Chris Young.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    IMHO, rosenthal easily misses 9 out of 10 times but people remember the one time he wasn't used as a tool or simply fullfilling his bosses' entertainment quotient.

    While none of these *rumors* should be taken seriously, the link above raises one issue that I thought was fair and really should be the guideline for all of the fun banter each new *rumor* (cough) stimulates.

    Really the following two questions need to be considered in conjunction IMHO:

    "what would you want back from team X for Dunner?"


    "what is reasonable to expect team x to give up for 3 months of Dunner?"

    Clearly the second question lowers the expectations when answering the first one.

    If Dunn gets traded, his '08 option vaporizes so really any trade partner is only getting 3 months of performance and the ability to try and talk him off the free agent market (basically a head start with him relative to other teams who might be interested if he hits the market).

    I doubt the Padres give up Young for Dunn because they've locked him up for cheap until 2011. Being a Petco mirage, Young would be an overvalued arm for most clubs but Petco plays well for his deficiencies so he's a cheap innings eater for the Padres. I doubt they trade 3.5 years of that for 3 months of Dunn. Young has some pretty dramatic home/road splits that all center on the fact that the flyballs that would be outs in Petco fell for hits/HRs on the road. While Young's got good make 'em miss ability, he's an extreme flyball pitcher (makes Milton look like a groundball pither) who has some command issues. So even if the Padres would trade him, he's not a good fit for the Reds IMHO. Basically he'd get dinged pretty badly for those flyballs at GABP.

    Anyway, that's my rant.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    IMHO, rosenthal easily misses 9 out of 10 times but people remember the one time he wasn't used as a tool or simply fullfilling his bosses' entertainment quotient.

    While none of these *rumors* should be taken seriously, the link above raises one issue that I thought was fair and really should be the guideline for all of the fun banter each new *rumor* (cough) stimulates.

    Really the following two questions need to be considered in conjunction IMHO:

    "what would you want back from team X for Dunner?"


    "what is reasonable to expect team x to give up for 3 months of Dunner?"

    Clearly the second question lowers the expectations when answering the first one.

    If Dunn gets traded, his '08 option vaporizes so really any trade partner is only getting 3 months of performance and the ability to try and talk him off the free agent market (basically a head start with him relative to other teams who might be interested if he hits the market).

    I doubt the Padres give up Young for Dunn because they've locked him up for cheap until 2011. Being a Petco mirage, Young would be an overvalued arm for most clubs but Petco plays well for his deficiencies so he's a cheap innings eater for the Padres. I doubt they trade 3.5 years of that for 3 months of Dunn. Young has some pretty dramatic home/road splits that all center on the fact that the flyballs that would be outs in Petco fell for hits/HRs on the road. While Young's got good make 'em miss ability, he's an extreme flyball pitcher (makes Milton look like a groundball pither) who has some command issues. So even if the Padres would trade him, he's not a good fit for the Reds IMHO. Basically he'd get dinged pretty badly for those flyballs at GABP.

    Anyway, that's my rant.

    Very good post.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Well there you go.

    Then, no one. Because Young is the only Padre that fits what I would want back from Dunn at a minimum, a young pitcher under long-term cost certainty with skillz.

    And, as always with these fake trade discussions, I don't care what the Padres would give up, I want the Reds to ask for that which they cannot have as a starting point. And if the other team won't meet a very fair price, no deal.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
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    You're putting to much stock into Adam Dunn - at least National League stock.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Some quick stats for reference.

    Eric Milton:
    H/9: 9.44
    BB/9: 2.58
    K/9: 6.39
    GB/FB: 0.60

    Chris Young
    H/9: 7.71
    BB/9: 3.02
    K/9: 7.81
    GB/FB: 0.59

    He's basically Milton if Milton missed more bats. His hit rate dropped through the floor in SD. Not coincidentally, SD has a very pitcher friendly park and is a very good defensive team. Chris Young is a solid pitcher, but simply not a great fit in Cincy given our park and OF defense.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    I was just looking through the Padres farm system and only a few guys interest me, and I still don't think that's enough for Dunn. Heath Bell, Chase Headley, Matt Antonelli, and Wade LeBlanc for Dunn might work, but I would prefer dealing him to a team like the Angels for Nick Adenhart and Brandon Wood, or to the Braves for Saltalmacchia and a prospect.

    Chase Headley, 3B, AA - .342/.425/.571 - .997 OPS. Switch-hitting 3B.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...pbp&pid=452104

    Matt Antonelli, 2B/3B, A+ - .308/.409/.488 - .897 OPS.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...pbp&pid=453327

    Chad Huffman, OF, A+ - .332/.430/.579 - 1.009 OPS.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...pbp&pid=502151

    Wade LeBlanc, LHP, A+/ 61.2 innings, 42 hits, 2 HR, 13 BB/60 K, 1.90 ERA, 0.90 WHIP in high class A.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    but I would prefer dealing him to a team like the Angels for Nick Adenhart and Brandon Wood, or to the Braves for Saltalmacchia and a prospect.
    Adenhart and Wood for three months of Dunn? Why not play hardball and ask for Casey Kotchman too? Thats one of the Angels top young major league or near major league talents per month. That seems pretty reasonable...
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    If that's the best they will offer then keep him, a trade of Dunn should bring back at least 1 player who will contribute in some form immediately
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Rosenthal says the Padres are also eyeing Adam Dunn, for whom their pitchers' ballpark would present less of an obstacle. Two hitches: Dunn can become a free agent after this season if he's traded, and the Reds will ask for a lot. The Padres' best pitching prospect, Cesar Carrillo, recently had Tommy John surgery. Their best hitting prospect, Cedric Hunter, is trying to figure out Low A ball. Third baseman Chase Headley is hitting well in Double A, and I'm sure plenty of teams would like to have him. Headley is somewhat blocked by Kevin Kouzmanoff. Honestly, though, the Padres don't have much in the minors to trade. At the Major League level, they might be able to part with Cla Meredith and get a decent hitter in return.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Padres eyeing Adam Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    You're putting to much stock into Adam Dunn - at least National League stock.

    Not really. I was joking. Hence, the devil smilie.
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