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    Drew Stubbs

    Personally, I have full confidence in him to put it all together. At this point, he's played 54 games, a third of a full major league season. If he were to play 162 games at the same rate, here is how his stats would be in Dayton:

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    AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
    .272	162	618	126	168	30	0	18	60	252	84	183	33	24	.366	.408	.773
    Of course, the strikeouts are insane, but I think in the end, he will be a little better than Mike Cameron. Anyway, what do all of you think? Will he be a bust or not?

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Personally, I have full confidence in him to put it all together. At this point, he's played 54 games, a third of a full major league season. If he were to play 162 games at the same rate, here is how his stats would be in Dayton:

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    AVG	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	OPS
    .272	162	618	126	168	30	0	18	60	252	84	183	33	24	.366	.408	.773
    Of course, the strikeouts are insane, but I think in the end, he will be a little better than Mike Cameron. Anyway, what do all of you think? Will he be a bust or not?
    If he comes to the majors and gets caught stealing 24 times for the sake of 33 SB, he should be shot on sight. I'd say a .773 OPS in A- looks like a defensive replacement/pinch runner at the big league level.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I agree with you on the stolen bases thing. He had more success last year, so I'm not too concerned about it.

    I don't have any evidence to back this up, but for players who have similar abilities, it seems like it takes them longer to develop. However, I might just be making that up.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I think he will be a worse version of Mike Cameron, like a lesser version of Steve Finley. In my mind he projects to a 4th OF at the major league level, or a starter in a weaker team's outfield. He will never be in the same league as Bruce or Hamilton.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    You are starting with his bat, tell me about his defense, that is where it starts with Drew Stubbs

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I have a bad feeling about this guy.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I have a bad feeling about this guy.
    Adam Dunn like strikeout numbers, potentially GG caliber D. Freakishly low OPS.

    Trade him when you can for something with a stronger pulse.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I've seen Stubbs play...4-5 times now and I see Szymanski. Stubbs makes contact, but it's not contact with authority. Stubbs is fast, but then everybody playing centerfield is fast at the A level.

    I've never seen him drive the ball.
    I've never seen him show any kind of arm.
    I don't think I've ever seen him take a walk.
    Doesn't mean he can't, I just haven't seen it.

    Yes, it's a small sample, but it's what I've seen. There are 3 position players at Dayton I think are going to be better than Stubbs.

    (Valaika, Turner and Francisco. I think if Francisco can figure out left handed pitching he has a chance to be a valuable property. Other than those three, I'll be surprised if any of the other position players on the roster get past AA.)
    Last edited by dfs; 06-04-2007 at 12:46 PM.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I agree--people are hunting around in the dark with their hands to find something, ANYTHING for which to praise this guy.

    If a guy's going to make it, he's going to need to do better than "speed and defense."

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    I've seen Stubbs play...4-5 times now and I see Szymanski. Stubbs makes contact, but it's not contact with authority. Stubbs is fast, but then everybody playing centerfield is fast at the A level.

    I've never seen him drive the ball.
    I've never seen him show any kind of arm.
    I don't think I've ever seen him take a walk.
    Actually that's one of his good stats this season. 28 BB so far. Valaika is hitting .047 points higher yet Stubbs has the better OBP.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I think Stubbs will be a very good defensive player in the major leagues. I think his bat will come around just enough to make him an average - above average player. Not an annual All-Star by any means, but he will be a useful major league player. Having said all of that, if someone offers me something useful for him in a trade, I make the deal.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I voted but I should have asked for a definition of "a bust" first. The answer to the poll, in my mind, would be different depending on what is meant by someone being a bust. If you're talking about a allstar caliber player (which is what it seems many folks expect from first round draft picks) that's one thing but if you talking about a guy who can put up reasonable numbers and just have a good career as a journeyman MLB player that's a different answer.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    He's playing with turf toe guys come on...geez.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    He's playing with turf toe guys come on...geez.
    Well, sure and staying healthy is a skill.

    I just haven't seen anything on the field that makes this guy stand out. If you asked me to pick out who the reds big draft pick was after watching these guys on the field, Stubbs wouldn't be very high on my list. That's not what I want out of my top draft pick.

    Fwiw, I was VERY impressed with the athleticism of WMP at Dayton. He showed arm and speed and mismanaged routes at Dayton. If I had to choose between the two, WMP was better in center. Stubbs will make fewer mistakes, but he doesn't flash anything like the range or arm the Pena showed. Now, of course Pena never got the chance to correct his mistakes in the minors. I just don't see the same kind of potential in Stubbs.

    Look, I hope I'm wrong. I hope the guy turns into and improved version of Eric Davis, but based on what I see on the field, I just don't see that happening.
    Last edited by dfs; 06-04-2007 at 12:49 PM.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by icehole3 View Post
    He's playing with turf toe guys come on...geez.

    I have reoccurring bouts of gout in my big toe. If turf-toe hurts anything like that I'm giving the dude a huge break. I can't imagine trying to ball with that kind of pain and immobility.
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