Low revenue teams fans like the Brewers and Reds have complained about "lack of budgets" for developmental signings for years now. Yet, the Reds after Marge got suspended moved from dead last in money for scouting in 1996 up to middle of the league by 2003 in money allocated to scouting. But the signing bonus's exploded during that period as well.
I am not giving up on Stubbs, just pointing out it was a bad pick for that early in the draft. Especially with our pitching needs. Why take an OF there when you just took an OF the previous year with your first round pick and you need pitching as much or more than anything. I just don't get why Krivsky fell in love with Drew Stubbs. He is one of these "5 tool" players who isn't great at anything. He is supposed to be a power hitter, but he has 6 HRs this year and didn't hit many last year either. He doesn't hit for average. He is good but not great defensively. He's fast, but not a guy who is going to steal 30 bags in the majors. He has a strong arm, but nothing too special.
If the Reds aren't willing to spend the budget on a talent upgrade, then there is a major problem. Krivsky has said he wants to focus on building a good farm system, so here's a chance. If he wants to build the farm system, then he needs to be willing to spend the money neccessary in the draft. If they aren't willing to go after a guy like Wieters, then they are already 2 steps backwards in the developmental system. Again, if Krivsky can't see that a major prospect upgrade is worth more than some bullpen stiffs, then the Reds are basically hopeless.
I have been complaining for years the Reds should flush millions into draft budgets over payroll concerns, even if it means losing some player from the MLB roster intially. I complained after the whole "Griffey surges revenue" idea bombed in 2001 that they needed cut back payroll from the 2000 high and put that money into draft budgets playing for some more expensive talent, but they refused(as an organization) and kept on hoping 1999 would strike again. The Cast era Reds have continued this tradition. Literally..........so far.
The fact is, nobody that runs to the Reds seems to understand how to build up a good product, which in the long run, sags revenue even more. A nasty repeating cycle.
Knowing Krivsky's want to improve the farm system, he should be more than willing to put his efforts into convincing Cast that increasing the draft budget would be beneficial in the overall scheme of things. We as fans obviously don't have all the facts, but when draft day comes and a situation arises where the Reds pass on Wieters, there should be a lot of irate fans and a lot of blame to be passed around, which will fall squarely on one man's shoulders. If he fails in convincing Cast, he's the one who feels the heat.
Cast should get no less anger directed at him than Krivsky. The plan that is on the field is his own doing. If Krivsky talked him into this mess, he should fire him, if he can't see that he needs to be fired, then he should let somebody else handle running the club. If he has ignored Krivsky's advice for rebuilding and continues to do so, then he should step down.
It is simply up to Cast. He is the boss. He can make the corrective moves.
As for Stubbs not being great at anything.... I am not sure how much defense you have seen him play, but its great. The guy is like a thouroughbred out in CF. He just glides effortlessly to the ball like he isnt even trying. As for his bat, it has some questions, but when people try to compare it to BJ Szymanski I just laugh. They both strike out a lot, but thats about where it ends with the comparisons. Drew had a bad April, but in May he was very solid with a .403 OBP and a .447 SLG and he even improved the rate at which he struck out.
If he were a corner infield or outfield guy, I might be a little worried about his bat, but since he isnt and he plays one of the lightest hitting positions on the field, he truly needs to OPS just .750 and play good defense to be a very valuable player.
I'm not convicned that's true. Since the day Krivsky got the GM spot, it has seemed that Cast has allowed Krivsky to basically steer the ship. IMO, I have always got the impression that Cast had the utmost faith in Krivsky to get the job done. During the whole GM search, Krivsky amongst other candidates had to basically form their plan and convince Cast that their plan was the right one. Knowing the general philosophy in Minny that building through the farm was the way to go for small market teams (this has been the philosophy that Krivsky has shown), I'd be absolutely shocked if Krivsky couldn't get Cast on board to put some extra part of the budget on the draft (especially if it meant getting a massively better prospect as a reward).
That's the type of plan that Krivsky used to convince Cast that he was the man for the job. So what has changed since then that it would be impossible to convince Cast that the draft is a secondary expenditure of talent? I get the distinct impression that Krivsky has the type of power with Cast that if he wants Wieters, then he will get Wieters.
Last edited by Patrick Bateman; 06-04-2007 at 11:35 PM.
As for financial considerations, either the Reds are prepared to play with the big dogs or they're not. Castellini walked in claiming he would not conduct business as usual. Here's a chance to prove it. The Reds talked themselves out of Derek Jeter and Scott Kazmir in past years due to "financial considerations." If Wieters is there he's the best player on the board, period. He's considered the best catching prospect since Joe Mauer.
Put up or shut up, Bob. I'm not interested in empty promises, I'm interested in the team I root for acting like it's not a doormat.
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Make that a thing.
The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.
I think Wieters will be a non issue shortly after the draft begins. I can't see the Cubs passing on him at 3.
Just for reference, the last ten #15 picks:
2006 - Nationals - Christopher Marrero
2005 – White Sox - Lance Broadway
2004 – Diamondbacks - Stephen Drew
2003 – White Sox – Brian Anderson
2002 – Mets – Scott Kazmir
2001 – Blue Jays - Gabe Gross
2000 – Phillies - Chase Utley
1999 - White Sox - Jason Stumm
1998 – Pirates - Clinton Johnston
1997 - White Sox - Jason Dellaero