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Thread: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

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    Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Simple question here ...

    Regardless of whatever specific front office requirements may be implemented, do you trust Jerry Narron to do everything in his power to protect Homer Bailey's arm and future by limiting Bailey's workload to an acceptable level during the 2007 season?

    A second question to ponder: Do you trust the Reds as an organization to do everything in their power to protect Homer Bailey's arm and future by limiting Bailey's workload to an acceptable level during the 2007 season?

    Comparing Harang/Arroyo to Homer Bailey as far as workload is a bit of apples to oranges because of their ages and development, I know, but we also know that Harang/Arroyo have been by far the Reds' two best starting pitchers in ages, and we know that the 2007 Reds bullpen is still a complete mess, much like it has been for the past few years. We also know, unfortunately, how Narron has reacted to the combination of those factors. All that being said, here's some food for thought, courtesy of BP's pitcher abuse points ...
    • Aaron Harang: 4th in PAP in 2005, 3rd in PAP in 2006, and 6th in PAP so far in 2007
    • Bronson Arroyo: 6th in PAP in 2006, and 3rd in PAP so far in 2007
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Narron better do what he's told......and I'm assuming he'll be given guidelines...I would hope so, anyway.

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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Absouloutly not, nor do I trust Kirvsky to give him guidelines.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Narron better do what he's told......and I'm assuming he'll be given guidelines...I would hope so, anyway.
    I get the impression that Krivsky is "old school" in that he doesn't "give direction" to the manager. Personally I think it's a mistake if true b/c Narron could sorely use it.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    I get the impression that Krivsky is "old school" in that he doesn't "give direction" to the manager. Personally I think it's a mistake if true b/c Narron could sorely use it.
    If Narron's a "baseball guy" then he should know enough to find out the workload that he's on, if Krivsky doesn't give him specific direction....

    That workload is about 100 to 110 pitches (and 110 was more of stretching him out) tops right now....I'd rather keep around 90-100, for now, at least.

    If I know that...then he should know that.

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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Hmmm ... is this poll stating that the results are hidden for everyone else?
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Hmmm ... is this poll stating that the results are hidden for everyone else?
    nope, i can see the results.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    If Narron's a "baseball guy" then he should know enough to find out the workload that he's on, if Krivsky doesn't give him specific direction....

    That workload is about 100 to 110 pitches (and 110 was more of stretching him out) tops right now....I'd rather keep around 90-100, for now, at least.

    If I know that...then he should know that.
    I doubt that the Reds will allow him to go much, in any, over 100 pitches. What I worry more about is overwork in a single inning.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    This is a no brainer yes! It's against the grain here, but I truly believe they will be careful with him. They shut him down last year and if the Reds are out of it I can see them pitching every 6th day or a low pitch count. I could be wrong.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Narron better do what he's told......and I'm assuming he'll be given guidelines...I would hope so, anyway.
    He'd better be given guidelines, and it should be a firing offense if they're not followed.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    I'm just waiting for that first outing where he's at 100 pitches through 5 with 2 hits and 8 ks and Narron brings him out for the 6th only to see him implode with a few walks and a bomb after 20 more pitches...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    I get the impression that Krivsky is "old school" in that he doesn't "give direction" to the manager. Personally I think it's a mistake if true b/c Narron could sorely use it.
    I have no idea if you're right or not - and I hope you're not! - but if you are right, then that is painfully disturbing. Words cannot even describe how detrimental a lack of direction handed down from the front office to Narron could be for this organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I'm just waiting for that first outing where he's at 100 pitches through 5 with 2 hits and 8 ks and Narron brings him out for the 6th only to see him implode with a few walks and a bomb after 20 more pitches...
    That's Narron's M.O., and it's liable to happen by the end of the month, if not sooner. And like pedro said (and I referenced in the other thread), I'm very concerned about high pitch innings and what sort of trouble Bailey could get himself into if Narron lets him throw 40+ pitches in an early inning trying to work through a jam.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    Even more disturbing is if Krivsky is handing down direction to Narron on pitch counts and doesn't have an issue with what's gone on so far.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    No, but my caveat would be that almost no major league manager would handle him with kid gloves. He's going to be expected to deliver 6+ IP a start and if he's pitching well, Narron will ride him, like most other managers.
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    Re: Jerry Narron and Homer Bailey's 2007 Workload

    I would also like to point out that Lohse is 58 and Belisle is 60 on the pitching abuse system. Seems kind of high to have 4 pitchers in the top 60, but I could be wrong.
    I have long said I would prefer seeing Homer come up after Narron was gone. Perhaps early on, he might be careful - but I can see that not lasting. And later in the season, that could be more damaging.


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