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    Ken Rosenthal says Adam Dunn is available for a trade

    Padres and Dodgers are interested. He says the Angles have had past interest.

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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Most want top young pitching for Dunn, but I'd go the bat route with a lower rated arm for the mix as a kicker.

    From Padres I'd want Kevin Kouzmanoff (and I'd play him in LF) and Clay Hensley.

    From the Dodgers I'd want Matt Kemp and idealy Broxton or Billingsley. Realistically Chin Hui Tsao or Hong Chih Kuo would come instead.

    If the Reds could get a young cheap power bat to take Dunn's spot, they could put the money toward a proven pitcher to go with Harang, Arroyo and Bailey for 2008. Trading for a young pitcher as the main return is just too risky IMO. The Reds would need to spend some money to replace Dunn in the line-up and would be relying too much on unproven pitching for my taste.
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Dunn and Lohse for Kemp Broxton and Billingsley.... Sign me up!

    Kemp inserted into our starting line-up and Broxton as our closer, Add Billingsley to Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, and Belisle...
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfan View Post
    Dunn and Lohse for Kemp Broxton and Billingsley.... Sign me up!

    Kemp inserted into our starting line-up and Broxton as our closer, Add Billingsley to Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, and Belisle...
    Sounds good, but awful unrealistic to me!
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Quote Originally Posted by cincy09 View Post
    Sounds good, but awful unrealistic to me!
    Dunn is a Legit power source in the middle of your line-up who will hit 40+ Home-runs, 100 RBI, with a high OBP and Lohse is a good #4/5 pitcher... I know the dodgers would do this with the exception of Broxton, I don't think they want to deal him, he is a legit closer right now...
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfan View Post
    Dunn is a Legit power source in the middle of your line-up who will hit 40+ Home-runs, 100 RBI, with a high OBP and Lohse is a good #4/5 pitcher... I know the dodgers would do this with the exception of Broxton, I don't think they want to deal him, he is a legit closer right now...
    We might have to add a good MiL pitcher.

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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Looks okay on paper, but when you figure in salaries, how does that work out? Seems to me someone has to take on a lot of cash. If we swallow Dunn's salary, then I don't think its too far fetched for the third player. But if the Dodgers are taking Lohse's and Dunn's Salary off our hands, we'd be lucky to get a guy like Billingsley IMO.
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    I wouldn't trade Arroyo yet.... but I know Dunn, and Arroyo for Billingsley, Broxton and Kemp gets done... Billingsley is a stud starting pitcher by the way..
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Quote Originally Posted by cincyinco View Post
    Looks okay on paper, but when you figure in salaries, how does that work out? Seems to me someone has to take on a lot of cash. If we swallow Dunn's salary, then I don't think its too far fetched for the third player. But if the Dodgers are taking Lohse's and Dunn's Salary off our hands, we'd be lucky to get a guy like Billingsley IMO.
    Yes... very lucky... Depends on the Dodgers interest in Dunn and how much money they are willing to spend... The one thing that scares off teams is the fact that the option goes away if he is traded and therefore Dunn becomes a 1/2 year rent-a-player unless that team resigns him...
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    I wouldn't deal Dunn and make a closer the key part of it, a closer is the last thing when you have few trading chips and a bunch of holes like this team has.
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    If Dunn and Lohse got traded around the break, there would be about 5.25 mil left on Dunns, and 2.1 on Lohse's. I would be fine halving the salaries to work a deal. Everything is off the books at the end of the year.

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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    You have to keep in mind that even if Dunn was Babe Ruth, teams would only be trading for 3 months of him....

    Kemp, Broxton and Billingsley are all young, cheap and under several years of control. There simply isn't any way the Dodgers or any other team does any deal with similar parameters as those to rent a player.

    At this point, salary probably isn't an issue because guys like Dunn and Lohse are rent a players now. It's the years of control and balance of talent that are the keys (4-5 years of useful several major leaguers for 3 months of a guy). Also the fact that the Reds would be on the hook for Dunn's '08 option if they don't trade him could actually be used as leverage against Krivsky.

    I think the Freddie Garcia trade in '04 is probably a decent comparable. Basically Seattle traded 3 months of Freddie Garcia (considered a TOR guy at the time) for Reed, Oliva and Morse. In other words, the Reds might get three young guys they could rush but there is going to be significant risk attached. However, Dunn is basically a bat with no leather so he probably has less trade value than a TOR guy. Otherwise I think you're looking at a major league ready guy (probably an arm for the pen) and maybe a couple of younger prospects assuming several teams form a bidding war. I'm having a hard time seeing how trading Dunn could end up with a return that instantly makes the Reds better for this season or next (and that's not because I worship at the alter of Dunn because my post history on the subject clearly indicates I don't).

    I'd like to see the Reds raid the farm from either team in LA.

    Anyway, that's my humble two cents.
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Adam Dunn is available for a trade. Padres and Dodgers are interested. He says the Angles have had past interest.

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    When Adam Dunn is traded (because I'd say it is almost inevitable at this point), this place is going to melt down when everyone realizes what little value comes back in return for him.

    At this point, I think the Reds would be beyond lucky to get one fairly good, projectable A+/AA arm and a few other minor league throw ins. They won't get anyone who is any good that is close to ML ready -- they certainly won't get a power bat above AA in return (if a team had that, they'd probably be playing that person instead of trading for Dunn) and they aren't going to get any starting pitching above the AA level.

    Sounds to me like another bolster-the-bullpen trade in the works.
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    Any return for Dunn must start with Flash Bailey and Buck Mitchell from the Isotopes.

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    Re: Ken Rosenthal says...

    How about a true centerfielder and a pitching prospect for Dunn. When all is said and done, Reds still don't have a centerfielder.


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