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    ESPNs Top 100 players

    ... no Norris Hopper, can't beleive it.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playerrating

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    1	Magglio Ordonez	DET	RF	87.3
    2	Alex Rodriguez	NYY	3B	78.2
    3	Vladimir Guerre	LAA	RF	76.3
    4	Miguel Cabrera	FLA	3B	73.7
    5	Jake Peavy	SD	SP	71.4
    6	David Ortiz	BOS	DH	70.9
    7	Dan Haren	OAK	SP	68.8
    8	Gary Sheffield	DET	DH	65.4
    9	Chase Utley	PHI	2B	63.3
    10	Grady Sizemore	CLE	CF	63.3
    11	Matt Holliday	COL	LF	62.2
    12	Kevin Youkilis	BOS	1B	61.2
    13	Prince Fielder	MIL	1B	60.6
    14	Ichiro Suzuki	SEA	CF	60.2
    15	Jose Reyes	NYM	SS	60.0
    16	Derek Jeter	NYY	SS	58.9
    17	James Shields	TB	SP	58.2
    18	Hanley Ramirez	FLA	SS	56.5
    19	C.C. Sabathia	CLE	SP	56.3
    20	Brad Penny	LAD	SP	55.7
    21	Mark Teixeira	TEX	1B	54.6
    22	Victor Martinez	CLE	C	54.2
    23	Orlando Cabrera	LAA	SS	53.7
    24	Jorge Posada	NYY	C	53.7
    25	Placido Polanco	DET	2B	53.4
    26	Jimmy Rollins	PHI	SS	53.4
    27	Dan Uggla	FLA	2B	53.0
    28	J.J. Putz	SEA	RP	52.5
    29	Travis Hafner	CLE	DH	51.8
    30	Edgar Renteria	ATL	SS	51.7
    31	John Lackey	LAA	SP	51.1
    32	Josh Beckett	BOS	SP	49.4
    33	Chris Young	SD	SP	48.6
    34	J.J. Hardy	MIL	SS	47.3
    35	Justin Morneau	MIN	1B	46.8
    36	Brian Roberts	BAL	2B	46.6
    37	Eric Byrnes	ARI	LF	46.3
    38	Kelly Johnson	ATL	2B	46.0
    39	Todd Helton	COL	1B	45.6
    40	Torii Hunter	MIN	CF	45.5
    41	Aaron Rowand	PHI	CF	44.9
    42	Kelvim Escobar	LAA	SP	44.3
    43	Mike Lowell	BOS	3B	43.3
    44	F Cordero	MIL	RP	43.2
    45	Al Reyes	TB	RP	42.9
    46	Albert Pujols	STL	1B	42.8
    47	Carlos Lee	HOU	LF	42.7
    48	Alex Rios	TOR	RF	42.2
    49	David Wright	NYM	3B	42.1
    50	Chad Gaudin	OAK	SP	41.6
    51	Tom Gorzelanny	PIT	SP	41.4
    52	Derrek Lee	CHC	1B	41.3
    53	John Smoltz	ATL	SP	40.0
    54	Adrian Gonzalez	SD	1B	39.6
    55	Barry Bonds	SF	LF	38.8
    56	Jason Bay	PIT	LF	38.7
    57	Brandon Webb	ARI	SP	38.4
    58	Matt Morris	SF	SP	38.0
    59	Rich Hill	CHC	SP	36.4
    60	C Granderson	DET	CF	36.1
    61	Adam Dunn	CIN	LF	35.5
    62	Carl Crawford	TB	LF	35.4
    63	Sergio Mitre	FLA	SP	34.6
    64	Takashi Saito	LAD	RP	34.5
    65	Cole Hamels	PHI	SP	34.4
    66	Russell Martin	LAD	C	34.3
    67	Ian Snell	PIT	SP	33.7
    68	B.J. Upton	TB	2B	33.7
    69	Carlos Guillen	DET	SS	33.7
    70	Johan Santana	MIN	SP	33.4
    71	Alfonso Soriano	CHC	LF	33.1
    72	Ken Griffey Jr.	CIN	RF	33.0
    73	Josh Willingham	FLA	LF	32.6
    74	Nick Swisher	OAK	1B	32.3
    75	B Phillips	CIN	2B	32.1
    76	Jhonny Peralta	CLE	SS	31.7
    77	Jeremy Guthrie	BAL	SP	31.7
    78	Fausto Carmona	CLE	SP	31.7
    79	Casey Kotchman	LAA	1B	31.5
    80	G Matthews Jr.	LAA	CF	31.5
    81	O Hernandez	NYM	SP	31.4
    82	Michael Cuddyer	MIN	RF	31.1
    83	John Maine	NYM	SP	30.6
    84	Billy Wagner	NYM	RP	30.3
    85	Brian Fuentes	COL	RP	30.3
    86	Derek Lowe	LAD	SP	29.4
    87	Carlos Beltran	NYM	CF	29.4
    88	Gil Meche	KC	SP	29.1
    89	Bobby Abreu	NYY	RF	29.0
    90	Chipper Jones	ATL	3B	28.4
    91	J Isringhausen	STL	RP	28.2
    92	J Verlander	DET	SP	28.2
    93	Jorge Sosa	NYM	SP	28.0
    94	Orlando Hudson	ARI	2B	27.8
    95	Manny Ramirez	BOS	LF	27.7
    96	Reggie Willits	LAA	LF	26.9
    97	Tim Hudson	ATL	SP	26.9
    98	Curt Schilling	BOS	SP	26.8
    99	Jeff Francoeur	ATL	RF	26.6
    100	F Rodriguez	LAA	RP	26.4
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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Why take a shot at Hopper? He's been a decent guy off the bench for the Reds. He is what he is...a good 4th OF. Would you rather have DeWayne Wise?

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    He's been a decent guy off the bench
    ... bench player? He started all three games in the just completed series. It's a shot at Narron, not Hopper. Hopper is what he is, Narron just thinks he's something else.
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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    Why take a shot at Hopper? He's been a decent guy off the bench for the Reds. He is what he is...a good 4th OF. Would you rather have DeWayne Wise?
    I don't think it was a shot at Hopper, it was just a reflection on the inordinate 'dap' he gets from broadcasters and fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    I don't think it was a shot at Hopper, it was just a reflection on the inordinate 'dap' he gets from broadcasters and fans.
    Which I am sort of surprised about. I don't mean to start something here, but I thought the obsession with the scrappiness of Freel by fans and coaches had a lot to do with something that Hopper will never be...figure it out.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Can we trade for Johan Santana while his ESPN rating is low?

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    I think it's interesting that there are so few Reds on this list. Goes to show that we have a talent issue here, not a managerial one.

    Also interesting where Adam Dunn falls and why Reds fans are so torn over how good he is. It shows that Adam Dunn is the best player on this team but it also shows that isn't saying much. Other teams evaluating players for trades don't care how he compares to other Reds players. They compare him to other major leaguers. They'll say he's not Babe Ruth. He's Carl Crawford or Curtis Granderson with a $13mill pricetag.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I think it's interesting that there are so few Reds on this list. Goes to show that we have a talent issue here, not a managerial one.

    Also interesting where Adam Dunn falls and why Reds fans are so torn over how good he is. It shows that Adam Dunn is the best player on this team but it also shows that isn't saying much. Other teams evaluating players for trades don't care how he compares to other Reds players. They compare him to other major leaguers. They'll say he's not Babe Ruth. He's Carl Crawford or Curtis Granderson with a $13mill pricetag.
    30 goes in to 100 how many times?

    3.33.

    We have right about the 'average' number we should honestly. Now granted the good teams have more than three probably, but it's not like we're truly under represented. This is an ESPN list, based on recognition more than ability.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Still no love for Aaron Harang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    I don't think it was a shot at Hopper, it was just a reflection on the inordinate 'dap' he gets from broadcasters and fans.
    Ah. My mistake. I don't get to listen to Reds broadcasters all that much. And most of my fan interaction is with RZ.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Still no love for Aaron Harang.
    Its based on a nerd formula centered on performance not personal opinion.

    Apparently Aaron isnt Ian Snell good yet.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Here is how they arrive at the ratings:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2897967

    Players receive points for their major league rankings in the following disciplines:

    Batters: Batting bases accumulated, runs produced, OBP, BA, HRs, hits, runs, RBIs, net steals, difficulty of defensive position, and team win percentage.

    Starting pitchers: ERA compared to league average weighted by IP, wins weighted by win percentage, defensive independent bases allowed per IP (limiting HR, BB and HBP), strikeouts, opponents' BA, and innings pitched.

    Relievers: Wins and saves with a stiff penalty for blown saves, ERA compared to league average weighted by IP, K-BB ratio, opponents' BA, and preventing inherited runners from scoring.


    Weights

    Batters MLB ranks in:
    Batting bases accumulated 20%
    Runs produced 15%
    OBP 15%
    BA 10%
    HRs 10%
    RBIs 5%
    Runs 5%
    Hits 5%
    Net steals 5%
    Team win percentage, defensive position 5% each
    The offensive player ratings seem to me to rely too heavily on counting stats but what do you guys think?
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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    30 goes in to 100 how many times?

    3.33.

    We have right about the 'average' number we should honestly. Now granted the good teams have more than three probably, but it's not like we're truly under represented. This is an ESPN list, based on recognition more than ability.

    It's not just the number out of 100. It's where the players are listed. Having no one higher than 60 is part of the problem.

    Obviously it's one list which is certainly open to debate and change.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    This list has Polanco rated #25. There are way too many holes in this formula to consider this list valid. Not to metnion Reggie Willits as a top 100 player.

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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Team winning percentage gets the same weight as runs scored, for whatever reason.
    Makes all the routine posts.


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