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    Re: ESPNs Top 100 players

    Nate Silver pretty much tore it apart via a BP Unfiltered Blog post today.

    His basic point is spot on. What exactly is it measuring? It looks like a really good formula for MVP voting. I'm not sure what usefulness it has beyond that that isn't already accomplished by something like VORP, WARP, or Win Shares, all 3 of which are actually measuring something that can be described apart from the formula itself.
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    The dumbest list I've seen...pretty much ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    The dumbest list I've seen...pretty much ever.
    why? it's just a list of the guys have the top 100 statistical seasons this year. I think it's pretty interesting.

    edit: I see you mean in execution, not concept.
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    Horrible system, could have been devised by a second grader, but I like that Brandon Phillips ranks #6 among 2Bs. He's definitely in the top 10 in terms of overall play and it's nice to see him get recognition even if it's by a catastrophically stupid system.
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    Any system that rates Placido Polanco sixty places ahead of Carlos Beltran is fundamentally flawed, unless it's measuring illiterative names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Any system that rates Placido Polanco sixty places ahead of Carlos Beltran is fundamentally flawed, unless it's measuring illiterative names.
    That is pretty egregious.
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    Juan Castro must be 101st on that list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Juan Castro must be 1001st on that list.
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    I think it's interesting that there are so few Reds on this list. Goes to show that we have a talent issue here, not a managerial one.

    Also interesting where Adam Dunn falls and why Reds fans are so torn over how good he is. It shows that Adam Dunn is the best player on this team but it also shows that isn't saying much. Other teams evaluating players for trades don't care how he compares to other Reds players. They compare him to other major leaguers. They'll say he's not Babe Ruth. He's Carl Crawford or Curtis Granderson with a $13mill pricetag.
    His contract is and of itself why his greatest asset to the Reds is as a trading chip...I do agree his value to us exceeds the value as compared to others, but his ability to hit 40+ HR for a power deficient club (re: Padres/Dodgers/Angels) potentially sets his value higher...for this franchise at that cost, Dunn (and I've said this specifically before) must be Ramirez, Rodriguez, Guerrero or Pujols...that is, he must be able to carry us, make others around us better and be a guy that changes the game when he's AB or nearing AB...he's a very good player and probably is our best statistical player but he hasn't been nor will he be that type of guy...he's a supporting actor getting lead actor money...FWIW, I wish we were a better team, and able to justify the contract and keep him here...it will be a sad day if it happens, a lousy day if it doesn't return value in turn...

    IMHO, this is also why Griffey should not be traded...he still has some of "it"...still impacts the game with his presence, still brings the "uh-oh" to the opposing dugout...that combined with the chase to 600 (and the corresponding purchase of tix by fans) should keep Griffey in RF for the Reds through the end of next season...


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    Well, if these rankings are what they used to pick their projected All Star team rosters, I think their system's done at least as good a job as the real system usually does. Probably better.
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    I'd be more interested in a list of the actual top 100 in the game, not just those that are hot in 2007. Polanco at 25 and Meche even being on the list make this article something not worth spending more than about 30 seconds glancing at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio View Post
    I'd be more interested in a list of the actual top 100 in the game, not just those that are hot in 2007. Polanco at 25 and Meche even being on the list make this article something not worth spending more than about 30 seconds glancing at.
    Why? The list changes daily. It's a representation as to how a player has performed to this date for 2007 only. Pretty cool. If those guys don't deserve to be there, then they'll be moving down as the season goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Why? The list changes daily. It's a representation as to how a player has performed to this date for 2007 only. Pretty cool. If those guys don't deserve to be there, then they'll be moving down as the season goes on.

    I did not realize it is an ongoing thing, but nonetheless, I guess I'm in the camp that pays closer attention to career norms than outliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I think it's interesting that there are so few Reds on this list. Goes to show that we have a talent issue here, not a managerial one.
    Personally, Edwin and Josh, maybe even Freel and/or Gonzalez, could easily be on that list... depends on the criteria used when compiling it.
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