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    Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Yes, losing at home to the Rangers is no fun and having the worst record in baseball hinging on tomorrow's game is even less fun, but some identifiably good happened tonight.

    Brad Salmon, Jonathan Coutlangus, Todd Coffey and Marcus McBeth pitched four innings of one hit, one walk, one HBP, no run, five strikeout baseball in a tight game. Jerry Narron used them and they delivered.

    Of course there's always the worry he'll now use them every day until their arms fall off, but those four could bring some sanity to the bullpen for the remaining 94 games of this season.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Really good point. I just wish that Wayne had started to build a bullpen with youth last year. Better late than never, I guess.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Really good point. I just wish that Wayne had started to build a bullpen with youth last year. Better late than never, I guess.
    Well, all but McBeth were here last year in the organization. Coffey was doing his thing, Cout still needed time, and Salmon was the only one that could have used a bit of time at the ML level. I think the McBeth pick up will be another "rabbit out of the hat" deals he makes.

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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Well, all but McBeth were here last year in the organization. Coffey was doing his thing, Cout still needed time, and Salmon was the only one that could have used a bit of time at the ML level. I think the McBeth pick up will be another "rabbit out of the hat" deals he makes.
    I guess I just think we should have brought up the kids earlier rather than trading for Cormier, Maj and Bray.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    I guess I just think we should have brought up the kids earlier rather than trading for Cormier, Maj and Bray.
    Bingo. I think making a move for an arm or two last year was ok and appropriate. WK brought in Guardado, Maj, Bray, Cormier, Schoeneweiss, Franklin, Kim, Johnson, etc. Never gave any shot to some pretty well performing resources in the minors (Salmon, Shafer, Coutlangus to name 3). It seems these guys could have been tried before so many resources were expended on retreads. It may have laid a better foundation for the off-season and avoided the mess we've witnessed now. I might have even made the awful trade in some similar form with the idea that young arms coud shape the future, but more quality and less quantity was needed there. The extension for Cormier was just an abysmal idea and Germano seemed no big loss at the time, but his absence lead to the Lizard abuse and the desperate moves for Jason Johnson and whichever Kim they ended up with last year (Sun Woo I think).
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    That's three of us in the same boat. The kids are cheaper and couldn't have done a worse job. That's not possible.

    What we keep doing to trading offense for relief pitching. No GM alive, unless he's crazy would do that. You develop relief pitching and you covet guys who can drive in 100 runs. There are lots of relief pitchers out there (including the farm system) but the 100 RBI guys are few and far between.

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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Salmon, in particular, looked good tonight...as though he'd rediscovered the fun of throwing Strike One.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    McBeth seemed to have the best movement though he almost got tagged by Loften.

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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Coffey was hitting 95 consistently, and Salmon was hitting 93-94. That's big.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Those are some guys that you can really build around IMO. The Reds are a spectacular disaster from a won/loss perspective this year but I do think there are some good things coming together in the organization.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    I've always like Salmons and Burns!! I really think if those two can figure out that they need to throw the pitch that got them up there then they would be ok. if they can learn when to throw an off speed pitch to the batter after they throw the fast ball one or twice to keep the batter off balance then I really do think we have found our late inning setup and closer pitchers for the future.If it all works out that way then it will be interesting to see were these to pitches in the games.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Those are some guys that you can really build around IMO. The Reds are a spectacular disaster from a won/loss perspective this year but I do think there are some good things coming together in the organization.
    And though we haven't see it much from this bullpen this year - I do believe we have some solid, young arms here and in AAA. The problem is - I don't think Narron is the one to properly utilize them, establish a set rotation, and give them a chance. He's gonna continue to haphazardly jerking them around, playing whoever and whenever.

    I heard that Stanton "tweeked" his hammy and could be DL'd. True?

    What could prove interesting is that I've been reading that Guardado and Bray are real close to coming back.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    And though we haven't see it much from this bullpen this year - I do believe we have some solid, young arms here and in AAA. The problem is - I don't think Narron is the one to properly utilize them, establish a set rotation, and give them a chance. He's gonna continue to haphazardly jerking them around, playing whoever and whenever.

    I heard that Stanton "tweeked" his hammy and could be DL'd. True?

    What could prove interesting is that I've been reading that Guardado and Bray are real close to coming back.
    The tweaked hammy happened in his at bat last night while attempting to run to first, so I think it's legit...although I don't know if it's serious enough to be put on the DL.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyjohn25 View Post
    The tweaked hammy happened in his at bat last night while attempting to run to first, so I think it's legit...although I don't know if it's serious enough to be put on the DL.
    On the DL. Reds recalled Michael Gosling.
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    Re: Silver lining to tonight's loss

    I like silver linings. I'd also like to see Todd Coffey's yoyo string get tangled while it's in the up position for a change. Maybe the youthful exuberance of his new bullpen mates will be the tonic that's needed to keep Mr. Coffey wearing the cap with the Wishbone C for his longest stint of the season?
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