This team is dead.

[HokieRed]

Narron's not going to be fired for a while. Krivsky's holding on to that card to save his own job when the pressure gets really bad: like 17,000 attendance nights all through July, August, Sept. etc.

[Hey Meat]

Look at the body language in the dugout. Everyone is just sitting there half asleep. There's no emotion. There's no desire. There's no fun. This team has stopped playing. It's June and this team has given up. This team is not this bad. It's not 17 under bad. As every day oes by and Krivsky doesn't make a trade, and doesn't fire the manager it makes him look worse and worse. The season is over. This team is bad. However, there is no reason for this team to be dead in June. Something must be done.

Time to fire Jerry and Wayne
Trade Dunn and it is also time for Bob to belly up to the bar and spend this money that we were hearing he was willing to spend when he took over the Reds organization.

[durl]

Time to fire Jerry and Wayne
Trade Dunn and it is also time for Bob to belly up to the bar and spend this money that we were hearing he was willing to spend when he took over the Reds organization.

Fire a GM when he's had less than 2 seasons and only 1 offseason under his belt? Good luck landing an better GM if you do that.

It's completely unreasonable for us to expect a powerhouse team so quickly. While I don't believe money solves everything in baseball, I do think it's time for Bob to open up the checkbook and increase payroll for pitching.

[bounty37h]

Something like this might work, but I have a hard time believing the players would give all their effort to a manager who is all but gone. (Actually, that is the current state of the Reds if you think about it.)

I had thought so too, but when talking to some of the players, it was such a relief to them to knwo what was going on, stop being asked all the time, teh extra pressure of that was a cooker for them, and they looked like a completely different team the remainder of the season.