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    Reds scouting

    How do you judge the quality of the Reds scouting? Whether it be scouting of the other teams, scouting for new tallent or the scouting of themselves, do you rank the efforts as well done? So-so? Horrable?

    Who are the Reds scouts? What experience do they have? Are they well regarded throughout the industry? What technology do they use to help them scout (if any)?

    How is the Reds scouting department organized? Does this mirror most other teams? Is there a change that could be made to improve their scouting efforts? Is there something inherrant to the orginization of the Reds scouting department preventing them from being successfull?

    Basically, hope to have a discussion about Reds scouting.
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    Re: Reds scouting

    "All scouts ever do is watch baseball games."-Marge Schott.
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    Re: Reds scouting

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Who are the Reds scouts? What experience do they have? Are they well regarded throughout the industry? What technology do they use to help them scout (if any)?
    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/press...player_dev.pdf

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    Thanks for posting that... Several months ago someone had links to the Reds press guide and I never got around to saving them before I lost track.

    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    The downloadable version of the media guide is available on this page, bottom right side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    The downloadable version of the media guide is available on this page, bottom right side.


    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Reds scouting

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    The downloadable version of the media guide is available on this page, bottom right side.
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    Re: Reds scouting

    IMO, the Amateur scouting has done a pretty good job. Not to say the drafts have been stellar but that's not the Amateur Scouts job to pick the players. They just recommend. Naturally it helps if you recommend good players...

    The pro side has its ups and downs. We've discussed the perils of the advance staff many times. The Pro Scouts that evaluate Minor League and Major League talent have shown some serious strengths and weaknesses. They have guts and a GM that is willing to make a move. That is a plus. There are a few guys who, IMO looking at players that have been brought in, scout with their heart. Never a good idea.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    "All scouts ever do is watch baseball games."-Marge Schott.
    Traditional scouting is about "watching games" and unwittingly there is honestly some wisdom in there if you want to look for it.
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    "All scouts ever do is watch baseball games."-Marge Schott.
    Oddly, it could be argued that Marge did the Reds a favor here. Her attitude drove a number of veteran scouts out of the organization, and frankly, a lot of them were past their prime anyway.
    "In baseball, you don't know nothin'"...Yogi Berra

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    Re: Reds scouting

    What is a "Cross Checker"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicoruiz View Post
    Oddly, it could be argued that Marge did the Reds a favor here. Her attitude drove a number of veteran scouts out of the organization, and frankly, a lot of them were past their prime anyway.
    Unfortunately, the Reds ability to identify and develop talent has never been the same since. Change is good if it leads to a better, stronger organization, but I don't think one can say that the Reds' system was better after Marge than it was before.
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    Maybe Marge was the first sabremetrician, who believed you could judge a player without having to watch the game.

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    Re: Reds scouting

    What is a "Cross Checker"?
    A "cross-checker" is a second-opinion giver. If an area scout turns in a report on a kid that piques the front office's interest, they will make sure someone else travels out to look at the kid with a fresh pair of eyes. That's the cross-checker.

    In addition, the cross-checker is valuable for being able to compare prospects in different areas of the country. Your area scout in Texas and your area scout in Pennsylvania may both think they have high school lefties worth a #2 pick. The cross checker, after seeing them both, can hopefully compare the two objectively and decide which is more valuable. He also can "scout the scouts"- decide how the area scout's reports mesh with the reality he sees.
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    Re: Reds scouting

    Quote Originally Posted by chicoruiz View Post
    A "cross-checker" is a second-opinion giver. If an area scout turns in a report on a kid that piques the front office's interest, they will make sure someone else travels out to look at the kid with a fresh pair of eyes. That's the cross-checker.

    In addition, the cross-checker is valuable for being able to compare prospects in different areas of the country. Your area scout in Texas and your area scout in Pennsylvania may both think they have high school lefties worth a #2 pick. The cross checker, after seeing them both, can hopefully compare the two objectively and decide which is more valuable. He also can "scout the scouts"- decide how the area scout's reports mesh with the reality he sees.

    Thanks, chico.


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