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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Yes,Turner,Heisey,Phipps,Parker,Rodriguez and Kainer. They are all pretty solid minor leaguers.

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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.
    1.Stubbs looks like a flop
    2.The Smith,Webb,Heisey,Parker fluff have done little to impress
    3.Ravin is to young to have a impression
    4.Valakia/Turner look very ordinary. Good BA, poor walk total. I suspect they may struggle more up the ladder.

    The frontrunners out of this group are Watson and Roenicke who both have shown power arms and are moving. Roenicke maybe ready by next season and Watson's development could explode next year as he continues to pile up the innings.

    Hopefully some others rise. The bats look poor, the arms show more promise. I guess that may be the good thing about the 2006 draft so far. Ravin developing next year would be even better.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.

    Why does this surprise no one?

    Watson and Roenicke look very strong so far. Ravin is very young and raw, but either he or Gonzalez are the favorites to be the next HS hurler the Reds develop now that Homer has broken the curse.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Regarding the Stubbs/Cameron comparisons:

    When Cameron was 22, he was putting up .249/.355/.429 in AA. At 23, he put up .300/.402/.600 in AA. At 24 he put in 30 games at AAA (.275/.378/.533). He's been in the majors since.

    At 22, Stubbs is putting up .248/.345/.361.... in Low A. The guy is 2 developmental levels behind Cameron. He either needs to put the bat on the ball a lot more (something I'm not sure is possible) or develop massive power.

    This year is important, but next year will be the real marker. Either he turns the corner, or he gains bust status.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    I don't see the talent others do out of the 2006 crop.
    1.Stubbs looks like a flop
    2.The Smith,Webb,Heisey,Parker fluff have done little to impress
    3.Ravin is to young to have a impression
    4.Valakia/Turner look very ordinary. Good BA, poor walk total. I suspect they may struggle more up the ladder.

    The frontrunners out of this group are Watson and Roenicke who both have shown power arms and are moving. Roenicke maybe ready by next season and Watson's development could explode next year as he continues to pile up the innings.

    Hopefully some others rise. The bats look poor, the arms show more promise. I guess that may be the good thing about the 2006 draft so far. Ravin developing next year would be even better.
    I tend to agree with that and that's not to mention that Watson has given up home runs at a decent rate in low A. Not exactly what one would expect given his other numbers. It will be interesting to see what comes of that as he moves up the ladder.

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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Dayton is losing 13 to 3 today. Stubbs is hitless in 3 trips.

    I'm starting to wonder what's going on with this guy. Is that injury acting up? He hasn't had a good hitting game in -- how long?

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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Their whole team is in a funk at the moment. Gonzalez lost his start the other night and they're going to be headed for 0-6 or 0-7 in the second half.

    Having said that, it seems like it's been awhile since Stubbs has had a good game at the plate.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    He went 2-4 with a double on June 22nd.

    His numbers for the month of June are dismal. He has a line of .182/.267/.208. A .475 OPS for the month.

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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    He went 2-4 with a double on June 22nd.

    His numbers for the month of June are dismal. He has a line of .182/.267/.208. A .475 OPS for the month.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    Having said that, it seems like it's been awhile since Stubbs has had a good game at the plate.
    Drew's 2007 YTD Stats

    1 extra base hit in the last 10 games (43 ABs)

    15 Ks and 5 BBs over that same stretch.

    His YTD splits are really disconcerting. He's absolutely atrocious with runners on and / or in scoring position.

    John Oliver, Ty Howington, and Chris Gruler look like they're about to have a 4th for cards.

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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    What I am gathering from this thread is that Stubbs was WK's only pick in the draft last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTCromer View Post
    What I am gathering from this thread is that Stubbs was WK's only pick in the draft last year.
    No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

    That's the feeling I'm getting.
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

    That's the feeling I'm getting.
    Yes, teams never miss on first round picks.

    I bet Beane is still crying over missing on Brad Sulliven in the 2003 draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    No, there were many other very good picks from last year's draft, we just totally whiffed on the biggest and most expensive of them all.

    That's the feeling I'm getting.
    It doesn't help that they passed on Linceum to take Stubbs....
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    Re: Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

    O'Brien: Bailey, Bruce
    Krivsky: Stubbs

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