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    Wayne money

    Future $ owed by the Reds thru Wayne deals

    Freel:
    2008 3 mill/ '09 4 mill

    Stanton:
    2008 3 mill/ '09 2.5 mill (or $500,000 buyout)

    Ross:
    2008 2.52 mill/ '09 3.5 mill (or $375,000 buyout)

    Castro:
    2008 $975,00/ '09 1.1 mill (or $100,00 buyout)

    Coffey:
    2008 $925,000 (increase of $400,000 from this season)


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    Re: Wayne money

    I guess it could be worse.
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    Re: Wayne money

    seems like there could be a lot of buyouts in the future.
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    Re: Wayne money

    What about Harang, Arroyo, and Hatteberg?

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    Re: Wayne money

    The only ones in that list that bother me are Stanton and Castro. At their age(s) there's no excuse. These contracts are better than the ones we've eaten in the past like Milton, LaRue, Casey and Graves to name a few right off the top of my head

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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    The only ones in that list that bother me are Stanton and Castro. At their age(s) there's no excuse. These contracts are better than the ones we've eaten in the past like Milton, LaRue, Casey and Graves to name a few right off the top of my head
    We didn't eat Casey's contract, we fed it to the Pirates.

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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    We didn't eat Casey's contract, we fed it to the Pirates.
    I think the Reds sent money to the Pirates in the deal, didn't they?

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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I think the Reds sent money to the Pirates in the deal, didn't they?
    We sent some money to Pitt and we had to eat Dave Williams' salary as well.

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    Re: Wayne money

    The Reds are still on the hook for Cormier's salary, aren't they?
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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    The Reds are still on the hook for Cormier's salary, aren't they?
    Yes they are.

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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    We sent some money to Pitt and we had to eat Dave Williams' salary as well.
    And then we had to eat his performances
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Wayne money

    Freel and Coffee are the only ones out of those guys that have any business having a chance at a roster spot next year. Unfortunately, the front office handed out contracts for the others. Juan Castro has no business having a guaranteed contract for '07, let alone '09. Ross and Stanton I understand having under contract for this year, but that should be it. I doubt we'd see anything at all on the trade market for either of them. They are sunk costs and they won't go away anytime soon. You give them away if someone is interested in them at this point. I doubt you'll have any luck and these guys will be collecting checks from the Reds for years to come.
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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1 View Post
    I guess it could be worse.

    These amounts are just not that major. Freel is a contributor, even as a sub. Castro can be bought out for $100,000. Ross leads the league in throwing out runners and is a decent stopgap catcher. Stanton has disappointed but just isn't that bad and can be bought out. Coffey would get less than a million next year.

    I just don't agree with all the emphasis on these contracts. If Castellini wanted to pick up major players, these deals surely wouldn't prevent it.

    To me, there is a lesson however. Rather than pay a Stanton $2.5 million, find a guy in his prime years and pay him $4 million. Find a backup infielder worth $3 million rather than Castro who gets a lot less. This means increase the payroll or do a better job of allocating money.

    Looking for low salaries for relief pitchers and bench players at key positions usually doesn't help much.

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    Re: Wayne money

    The Reds made mistakes with Ross and Coffee and to a lesser extent, Freel. Those were "in house" guys that they paid based on a good performance in 1 year. They thought they were saving money (instead of wasting it) by going multiple years on those two. It backfired and blew up in their face. Roll of the dice and it turned up snake eyes. It happens.

    Juan Castro, I have no idea what the hell they were thinking.

    Stanton they had to offer multiple years at a high salary to lure him here. He wouldn't have signed with the Reds otherwise. That's the free agent market these days. The Reds lost there, too. Now, you can argue that the Reds should have never pursued Stanton, but that's another issue for another thread.
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    Re: Wayne money

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    Now, you can argue that the Reds should have never pursued Stanton, but that's another issue for another thread.
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