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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Positions are very key for those stats though. Player A was easily the best hitter at his position last year and probably one of the top defenders there as well. Player B was not the best hitter at his position and is at the bottom of the defensive ladder at his position. Player A plays a very important defensive position. Player B does not.

    Huge difference.
    Perhaps that makes Player A more of a bargain... but does it make Player B a rip off?
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Andruw Jones could be compared to both player A and B.. And I know he is going to get a huge contract even though he has had a down year.
    Andruw Jones (whom we might call Player C) isn't nearly the all-around offensive force that the other two are. His OBP is consistently lower and he doesn't run anymore on the bases. Of course, I'm not sure how much longer either Player A or Player B will continue running either... but it is clear that Player C has stopped.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    But -- player B is prone to slumps and it is far from certain he will keep up this pace.
    Is he really more prone to slumps than other players? I know it seems like it, especially at the end of '06, but I would think he might be less prone to them due to his walk rate (which is admittedly down this year).
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I think Jones' year is more than "down" - it's full blown depression and may require counseling!
    True.. But he has never hit for average.. he's a career .263 hitter. His power and defense have carried him. But the thing is he is going to get a nice sized contract.. one comparable to player A and player B.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    True.. But he has never hit for average.. he's a career .263 hitter. His power and defense have carried him. But the thing is he is going to get a nice sized contract.. one comparable to player A and player B.
    Which just makes both Player A and B look like better bargains IMO.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Perhaps that makes Player A more of a bargain... but does it make Player B a rip off?
    Make player B a rip off? No. It doesnt make him some bargain either though.

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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RichRed View Post
    Is he really more prone to slumps than other players? I know it seems like it, especially at the end of '06, but I would think he might be less prone to them due to his walk rate (which is admittedly down this year).
    Perhaps it is more accurate to say that Player A is prone to power and average slumps, and not to OBP slumps. He gets on base and contributes consistently to the scoring potential of his team, even when he's not hitting.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Make player B a rip off? No. It doesnt make him some bargain either though.
    So if he's not a rip off, that means that it's a fair price... and that there's no reason to say that "he's not worth what we're going to pay him." Right?
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    So if he's not a rip off, that means that it's a fair price... and that there's no reason to say that "he's not worth what we're going to pay him." Right?
    Not exactly. If we are overpaying a guy 1-2 million, its not really a rip off. What we are paying Eric Milton is a ripoff. That said, if player B continues to put up a full season at his pace this season and next season, he won't be ripping anyone off.... I question whether or not he can sustain his current level of success though.

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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Last year, in what most considered a great year for him, Player A hit .274/.388/.569 with 41 HR, 118 RBI, and 18 SB. He was touted as one of the best all-around offensive players in the game and made $13,571,428 for his services.

    This year, Player B is on pace to hit .270/.359/.569 with 45 HR, 108 RBI, and 14 SB. He makes $ 10,500,000 this year and is due $13,500,000 in 2008. He has been routinely criticized for his strikeouts, lack of effort, and underachieving.

    My question is this: If Player B continues at his current level of offensive production, wouldn't he be well worth the salary he is due next year?

    Discuss.
    Do either players have to play the field and if so at which positions?
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Do either players have to play the field and if so at which positions?
    Yes, Player A is a Gold Glove CF and Player B is a below-average LF who should probably be moved to 1B or DH later on. I realize you can't pay for offense in a vacuum... but I just thought it provided some compelling arguments for Player A's value.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    If Dunn does what he is doing for a contending team right now they go on a 10 game win streak. This streak he is on can absolutly carry a good club. Every player in a full year will hit their peaks and valleys. But there are only a handful of players who can do what Dunn has done over the past weeks. You can dislike his defense (his zone ratings aren't as bad as people think) you can dislike his strikeouts, or dislike what you think his attitude is, but when you boil it down he is a very very productive player. If he is traded they need to get a lot in return. I remember when the LAA said that Krivsky was asking for too much in the Dunn talks but ask LAA if Dunn does what he is doing now in the playoffs how a WS Title would feel.

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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Yes, Player A is a Gold Glove CF and Player B is a below-average LF who should probably be moved to 1B or DH later on.
    Ya, I figured it out from reading further.

    Basically Doug makes the point in his post

    Player A is much more valuable than player B. In fact, player A could be worth almost twice as much.
    Last edited by jojo; 06-28-2007 at 02:59 PM.
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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Quote Originally Posted by RichRed View Post
    In all seriousness, I absolutely believe Player B would be well worth that salary.
    Well if you're right we'll be flush with offers for player B and there'll be little talk of another team insisting that we pickup some of his $$ in a deal. In fact the trading partner will gladly extend his contract before the ink is dry on the trade.

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    Re: Player A and Player B

    Gentlemen, I think you can end this "Player A/Player B" charade.
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