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    Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    I am willing to concede Hamilton is our best option for leadoff this year. However with his excellent plate discipline and considerable power, I think we should pick up a legitimate leadoff hitter in this offseason, and have Hamilton hit in the cleanup spot next year. I know he has only 29 rbis so far this year, but he has hit leadoff a lot this year, which is why he has such a low number. I believe he will do a good job batting leadoff this year, but in the future we should think about having hit in the middle of the lineup.


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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    While I have always bashed dunn alot on this board.. and I love Hamilton.. I think Hamilton is the perfect 4 or 5 hitter in this lineup.. His batting is close to dunn when it comes to power, and plate discipline, but he just seems to have a knack for getting hits when they are needed.. unlike dunn.. the other good thing about him.. he can play defense.. I think he is a perfect 4 or 5 hitter especially in this lineup..

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    It all depends who we find in the free agent market. Unless we go out and get a legit leadoff hitter, he's probably the best combo of OBP and speed we have, no matter what his power is. It all depends what else we have.
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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    There are alot of variables to this question. Will Griffey and Dunn still be on the team? Will Wayne K. pick up a power hitting bat? Will Hambone stay away from drugs? How good is Votto going to be up here? Let's wait till next year to answer that question. Until then keep him at leadoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degenerate10 View Post
    There are alot of variables to this question. Will Griffey and Dunn still be on the team? Will Wayne K. pick up a power hitting bat? Will Hambone stay away from drugs? How good is Votto going to be up here? Let's wait till next year to answer that question. Until then keep him at leadoff.
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    Best. Lineup.
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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    I love Adam Dunn, but he doesn't have enough plate discipline or get enough hits to hit cleanup.Besides, Hatteberg is only on the team until Wayne can trade him and bring Votto up. The rest of your lineup is perfectly fine.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I love Adam Dunn, but he doesn't have enough plate discipline or get enough hits to hit cleanup.Besides, Hatteberg is only on the team until Wayne can trade him and bring Votto up. The rest of your lineup is perfectly fine.
    how do you figure Dunn doesnt have the plate discipline?
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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    One third of his ABs end in strikeouts. He will take a lot of walks, but he doesn't get enough hits to drive runners in. He has done better this year, but he would need to consistantly hit .270 or .280 to bat cleanup. He is only batting cleanup now because we don't have a true cleanup hitter. However, that could change next year with Josh Hamilton.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Is there a fascination with putting certain marquee players in certain roles? I've always been a fan of Dunn in the 2 hole, or 5th or 6th where he can get on-base, swing, and take away. However, why he is continually put into a run producing position without the best results? In regards to Hamilton, If he can produce in that role than as a Reds fan Im for it. I like EE circa 2006 as a cleanup hitter.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    I think that Hamilton could be about the most perfect 2nd hitter. Speed, good OBP, sees pitches. It seems to me we are using Hamilton as an OK lead-off when he could be a really great 2 guy. just my two cents.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Hamilton's BA is lower with RISP so perhaps he's more comfortable being at the top of the lineup. Still, he's new to the big leagues so his RISP numbers could very well improve as he gains experience.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by durl View Post
    Hamilton's BA is lower with RISP so perhaps he's more comfortable being at the top of the lineup. Still, he's new to the big leagues so his RISP numbers could very well improve as he gains experience.
    I think leadoff is a nice place for him this year. It gets him a few extra at bats plus a few extra fastballs.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    The thing I really like about Hamilton is that he is the type of hitter that you can bat just about anywhere in the lineup and he has the skills to succeed. Where you bat him depends upon the supporting cast. Right now, I think he is most valuable to this team in the lead off role, but down the line it could be as a #2, 3, or 4 hitter. As long as he keeps up his OBP, I would never drop him below 5.

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Hamilton
    Edwin
    Griffey
    Dunn
    Phillips
    Hatteberg
    Gonzalez
    Ross

    Best. Lineup.
    I'd switch Edwin and Brandon around but that's me

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    Re: Should Hamilton hit cleanup in next year's lineup?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    One third of his ABs end in strikeouts. He will take a lot of walks, but he doesn't get enough hits to drive runners in. He has done better this year, but he would need to consistantly hit .270 or .280 to bat cleanup. He is only batting cleanup now because we don't have a true cleanup hitter. However, that could change next year with Josh Hamilton.
    Strikeouts do not necessarily equate to a lack of plate discipline. The fact that Dunn does get a lot of walks though is a good indication that he knows how to work a count, hence good plate discipline.


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