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Thread: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    If BCast is willing to raise the payroll by a good chunk, I would like to see part of that go to Brandon and a LTC, otherwise just go to arbitration and play it like the small-mid market team we are. The thing that I am wary of is how much his price will rise if he continues at his pace for a couple years. Especially if they move him to shortstop. To me, that could lead to another long term SS and continue the red's tradition. He kind of reminds me of a young Barry Larkin. He's got incredible offensive numbers for his position and he is a gold glove potential defensive player. Of course Brandon is already ahead of Barry's grand slam pace.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Take advantage if the service time, lets see where he is a year from now
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    There is no reason to lock somebody up through their arb years unless you get them below where are would take them. Why lock yourself in to a cost certainty when you don't have to?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    I would like the thank the Cleveland Indians for giving up on him...

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    I wouldn't sink too much money into a second baseman.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    When's the last time we had a 2nd baseman put up these kinds of numbers?:

    Not counting last night's HR, Double, Single and 6 RBI's, here's his rankings at 2nd Base this year:

    Homeruns........1st in MLB
    Slug Pct..........2nd in MLB
    RBIs...............2nd in MLB
    Runs...............4th in MLB, 3rd in NL
    Hits................2nd in NL
    SB's................1st in NL
    3B's................5th in MLB
    Total Bases......2nd in MLB
    HBP.................2nd in MLB
    FLD PCT...........2nd in NL
    Range Factor.....2nd in NL
    Zone Rating.......3rd in NL
    Double Plays......1st in NL (That's Double-Plays Defensively)
    Putouts.............2nd in MLB
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    I would have to guess the last time was when Joe Morgan manned the position...

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Been time.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Given the year he's having, why sign him at peak value? Let's pay him for the next 3-4-5 years based on the best season he's ever had. Do we think he's honestly going to get better? What if he regresses? I would want at least two superior years before I am convinced that a player has reached a new sustainable level of performance.

    Do you want to be paying him 6-7M year if he slides back to .270/.320/.400 territory? What if he suffers a major injury? If it looks like he's going to get a huge arb number, you can always go the contract route then. There's no reason to commit right now.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Given the year he's having, why sign him at peak value? Let's pay him for the next 3-4-5 years based on the best season he's ever had. Do we think he's honestly going to get better? What if he regresses? I would want at least two superior years before I am convinced that a player has reached a new sustainable level of performance.

    Do you want to be paying him 6-7M year if he slides back to .270/.320/.400 territory? What if he suffers a major injury? If it looks like he's going to get a huge arb number, you can always go the contract route then. There's no reason to commit right now.
    Exactly. Besides, even a player's arb years still significantly favor management.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Me personally would try to sign him to a 5 year 25-30 million dollar contract
    Why when it is unnecessary and there is no risk, at the present, of losing him?

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I wouldn't sink too much money into a second baseman.
    Bingo.

    Save it for a SS.

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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    I like Phillips but I view him somewhat like I did Aaron Boone. He's a good player and at the right salary he's a real asset to the team but I think the best course is to use him through his cheap pre-FA years and then either flip him or let him walk.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Save the money while you can. Sign him when he's in a slump.
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    Re: Is It Time To Lock Up Brandon Phillips Long Term?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Save the money while you can. Sign him when he's in a slump.
    Right, wait for a slump when he has 5 years of service time.
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