Has trading Votto to land Salty crossed anybody elses mind?
Certainly Jay Bruce in CF is an option. But that simply pushes Josh Hamilton to a corner outfield spot and the Reds are in the same position as before.Why can't they try Bruce in center field?
Going into the 2007 season that would have been a pretty safe assumption, but I don't see why they would push Bruce up to Louisville so quickly only to have him spend most of 2008 in AAA. If he continues to hit as well as he has to date in his career why keep him down on the farm?In my opinion Bruce won't be up this year or maybe through most of next year.
That is a possibility. I am just not sure how much KG brings in return due both to his age and his history of injuries. And just how many teams Junior would agree to go to? The Reds leverage does not seem to be as high in any potential trade of Griffey.If were going to trade Griffey or Dunn why not trade Griffey? He's the older of the two hes the bigger name.
A great point. I get tired of hearing the "too many lefties" argument. Put the best players in, period.
I might add that, considering that GABP was built for a certain left handed hitter, this team might as well focus on building a team that is well suited for the stadium they play in, not one that looks nice on paper. As such, I see no reason to dump Dunn in order to pick up a right hander. Dunn has his faults but he will not be easily replaced.
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Reds vs. left handed starters: 12-22
vs. right handed starters: 26-33
I'll add Conine to your list. Hence, the need for a good right handed bat. I never said it was a terrible thing to be overstocked with lefties. But I DO NOT want this team relying on Brandon Phillips and EdE for it's only source of right handed production.
The problem enlies in the fact both Dunn and Griff are EL stinko in late innings when a left hander is usually brought in to face them or against a closer type. Both the two are also not known for getting on base when the pitcher does throw strikes.
7th Inning and beyond AB AVG OBP SLG OPS
Adam Dunn 87 .225 .325 .353 .678
Ken Griffey Jr. 81 .202 .308 .315 .623
Who is our top performer 7th inning and late?
Scott Hatteberg 79 .316 .407 .506 .913
This jumps off the page. Hatteberg is our most disciplined hitter and the biggest contributor late in the game. WE NEED MORE OF THESE. I'm not saying we need three punch and judy hitters who hit singles. We just need someone who can have a professional at bat late in the game! I would prefer it to be a right handed bat to minimize the struggle between lefty lefty in the late innings.
You need some balance in the lineup; the Reds are overly left handed. They don't need many right handed bats. They need one or two potent right handed bats.
Of the three outfield positions and first base, at least one of those players must be a righty who can hit and has power. You can't keep Griffey, Dunn, Bruce, Votto, Hamilton. Something has to change or the lineup will out of balance.
Longer term, Bruce, Hamilton and Votto from the left side. Phillips, EE, and a major righty bat from the right side. That's more like it. Or, if you keep Dunn, one of the other lefties would be moved.
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I dont care if our entire Of and 1B is lefthanded as long as they are the best 4 players for those 4 spots.
As for trading Votto I dont like the idea of trading a prospect for a prospect, but this team is in need for pitchers more than they are for firstbaseman. I would trade Votto if he was the guy the made the deal, but I'm not looking to trade him.
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That's about the only time I'd trade a prospect...for a more proven prospect in an area of need for our ML team. So yeah, I'd do that straight up, (Votto - Salty,) but only after exploring options in the Hatteburg + prospect X for Salty arena. Ideally, I'd like to have Votto, Dunn, Hamilton, Griffey, and Salty all on the 2008 Reds, but you usually have to give up value to receive value.
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