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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Well now you are assuming the Reds would do a few things, like take someone that wasn't #1 on their board, and then promote a college player fast enough to actually help ASAP. The Reds highest 2006 Draft pick for a regular is Danny Dorn in Sarasota where he started the season and he was their 32nd round pick. This years college crop was said to be fairly weak with lots of solid HS talent, so take that for what its worth.
    Well with the way baseball works, unless you are going to wreck a superstar college player's confidence (a la Ryan Wagner), help as soon as possible is understood to be 1-2 years. There's a good likelihood that Krivsky won't be the Reds' GM when Mesoraco hits the bigs, considering the volatility of the position. I am not against the pick of Mesoraco, as it shows that the Reds' are willing to take another Bailey-like risk to hit another home run with a draft pick.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    My point is more along the lines of, the Reds are not going to push talent that fast unless its top of the line (see Bruce or Bailey) and you are not going to get that kind of talent at #15 unless you are drafting someone who slipped and wants top 5 type money (Stephen Drew went #15 in 2004 but had the highest signing bonus of anyone in the draft). The Reds probably will never be that type of team to take a guy who fell because of money demands, so they are not going to get that type of talent in the middle of the first round.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Ouch. Not looking good for Mesoraco through his first 18 games with the GCL Reds...

    .226 batting average, 0 HR, 5 RBI

    62 at bats, 14 hits (13 singles and 1 double -- ouch again), .324 OBP, .242 SLG, .566 OPS

    http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...pbp&pid=519023

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Porcello was said to want 8 million to sign or he was going to college. I will hazard a guess that Rick was not on their board at all for that reason.
    It's nice that he said that, but the going rate for top college pitchers last year (both Boras clients) was $3.5M. So Porcello could have demanded a Caribbean island and a palace in Dubai, he'll be signing for something in the $3M range.

    He's perfectly welcome to go to college to risk injury and a performance slip in search of an extra $500 K in three years, but I'll be mighty surprised if he isn't locked up in the Tigers system for less than half of his asking price by Aug. 15.
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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    It's nice that he said that, but the going rate for top college pitchers last year (both Boras clients) was $3.5M. So Porcello could have demanded a Caribbean island and a palace in Dubai, he'll be signing for something in the $3M range.

    He's perfectly welcome to go to college to risk injury and a performance slip in search of an extra $500 K in three years, but I'll be mighty surprised if he isn't locked up in the Tigers system for less than half of his asking price by Aug. 15.
    I would almost be willing to bet money that Porcello, if he signs, doesn't take less than 5 million.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would almost be willing to bet money that Porcello, if he signs, doesn't take less than 5 million.
    Pinky wager then. I can't see the Tigers paying more for Porcello than they did for Andrew Miller or Justin Verlander.
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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Pinky wager then. I can't see the Tigers paying more for Porcello than they did for Andrew Miller or Justin Verlander.
    I don't think they would have made the pick if they didn't think they were going to sign him.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't think they would have made the pick if they didn't think they were going to sign him.
    I agree. I'm just saying they'll sign him for less than they paid Miller, who was a better, more advanced, less risky pitcher. Boras doesn't have an argumentative leg to stand on. He capped himself. I figure Price's absolute ceiling is $4M and Porcello's not beating that either.
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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    An uneventful day for young Devin yesterday. A o-fer with two whiffs..



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    GCL Reds
    Player	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG
    Reed CF	5	1	3	1	0	0	1	0	0	.309
    Soto 3B	5	0	2	0	1	0	1	0	2	.324
    Scott DH	5	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	.267
    Gualdron 2B	4	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	.304
    Sanchez 1B	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	.197
    Mendez a- PH-1B	2	1	1	0	0	1	1	0	0	.246
    Mesoraco C	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	.212
    Oliveras RF	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	.163
    Bastardo LF	4	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	1	.220
    Moreta SS	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	.214
    Lotzkar P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Conatser P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Vinyard P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Hotchkiss P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Navarro P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Fiebig P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    
    BATTING
    2B: Scott (2, Noel), Reed (3, Noel), Gualdron (2, Noel).
    3B: Bastardo (2, Noel), Soto (3, Cole).
    HR: Mendez (2, 8th inning off Cole, 0 on, 2 out).
    TB: Reed 4; Soto 4; Scott 2; Gualdron 4; Mendez 4; Bastardo 3.
    RBI: Reed (9), Mendez (7), Soto (19).
    2-out RBI: Reed; Mendez; Soto.
    Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Mesoraco 2; Soto; Oliveras; Mendez; Scott.
    GIDP: Scott.
    Team LOB: 7.
    
    BASERUNNING
    CS: Reed (3, 2nd base by Burch/Tarnow).
    
    FIELDING
    E: Soto 2 (12, throw, fielding), Navarro (1, fielding).
    Outfield assists: Bastardo (Tarnow at home).
    DP: (Gualdron-Moreta-Sanchez).
    
    a-Flied out for Sanchez in the 5th.
    GCL Orioles
    Player	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG
    Lester CF	5	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	.235
    Cardona 2B	3	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	2	.270
    Reimold, N RF	4	1	2	1	0	0	3	0	0	.231
    Polanco, E 1B	4	1	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	.289
    Kolodny 3B	4	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1	.396
    Ellis LF	4	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	.193
    Carolus DH	3	3	1	0	0	1	2	1	0	.205
    Tarnow C	3	1	2	1	0	0	2	0	0	.282
    DiGeronimo SS	3	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	.356
    Noel P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Burch P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    Cole P	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000
    
    BATTING
    2B: Tarnow (4, Navarro), Reimold, N (4, Navarro).
    HR: Carolus (2, 5th inning off Vinyard, 1 on, 0 out).
    TB: Lester; Cardona; Reimold, N 3; Polanco, E; Ellis; Carolus 4; Tarnow 3; DiGeronimo.
    RBI: Carolus 2 (14), Tarnow 2 (8), DiGeronimo (7), Lester (7), Reimold, N 3 (7), Kolodny (23).
    2-out RBI: Lester.
    Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Polanco, E; Cardona 3.
    SF: DiGeronimo; Kolodny.
    GIDP: Polanco, E.
    Team LOB: 6.
    
    BASERUNNING
    SB: Cardona (3, 2nd base off Lotzkar/Mesoraco), Carolus (3, 2nd base off Navarro/Mesoraco).
    
    FIELDING
    E: Reimold, N (1, throw).
    PB: Tarnow (5).
    DP: (Polanco, E-DiGeronimo-Polanco, E).
    
    
    
    GCL Reds
    Player	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
    Lotzkar 	2.0	0	0	0	1	3	0	0.00
    Conatser 	2.0	1	0	0	0	1	0	13.50
    Vinyard (L, 0-2)	1.1	4	5	2	2	0	1	10.61
    Hotchkiss 	1.2	1	0	0	0	2	0	0.00
    Navarro 	0.1	3	6	4	1	0	0	21.60
    Fiebig 	0.2	1	0	0	0	0	0	4.61
    
    GCL Orioles
    Player	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA
    Noel (W, 5-0)	6.0	7	2	1	1	5	0	2.01
    Burch (H, 2)	1.0	1	0	0	0	2	0	0.00
    Cole (S, 1)	2.0	3	3	3	1	3	1	7.71
    
    
    
    WP: Navarro 2, Noel.
    HBP: Reimold, N (by Conatser), Tarnow (by Vinyard), Ellis (by Navarro).
    Ground outs-fly outs: Lotzkar 1-2, Conatser 4-1, Vinyard 0-3, Hotchkiss 0-3, Navarro 1-0, Fiebig 0-2, Noel 7-7, Burch 0-0, Cole 1-2.
    Batters faced: Lotzkar 7, Conatser 7, Vinyard 11, Hotchkiss 7, Navarro 7, Fiebig 3, Noel 26, Burch 3, Cole 10.
    Inherited runners-scored: Hotchkiss 3-3, Fiebig 1-1.
    Umpires: HP: Joel Myers. 1B: Bill Molsan. 2B: . 3B: .
    Weather: 95 degrees, overcast.
    Wind: 1 mph, Varies.
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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Why don't we wait until he actually does something before we start talking about him every day. This thread's going to be 500 pages before he earns his first player of the week honors.
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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    he'll be a 3rd baseman / 1st baseman before long........if he can even hit....

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur View Post
    he'll be a 3rd baseman / 1st baseman before long........if he can even hit....
    Uh, no.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur View Post
    he'll be a 3rd baseman / 1st baseman before long........if he can even hit....
    No. Mesoraco is actually a pretty good defensive catcher. He's a guy I fully expect to stay at catcher. It's his natural position, and he's good at it.

    The question is his bat. Will he hit well enough to make the majors? Luckily he doesn't have to be too great considering the standards for the catching position. The odds of him ever hitting good enough to play at 1st or 3rd are quite poor.

    He'll stay at catcher, and his bat will determine whether he will make the majors.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Yeah, he is a good defensive catcher. At least we hope he is. From all accounts he is, but he better start hitting the ball. Hopefully Drew Stubbs doesn't try and give him any tips.

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    Re: 2007 Reds #1 Pick--Devin Mesoraco (Official Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    Yeah, he is a good defensive catcher. At least we hope he is. From all accounts he is, but he better start hitting the ball. Hopefully Drew Stubbs doesn't try and give him any tips.
    He's 18.

    For some reason, I am not concerned by his struggles.


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