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    Re: What would a sweep of the Brewers do?

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    While I understand what you are saying, and tend to agree - last year's WS winners was the Cardinals, who were 83-78. Anything can happen once you get into the post-season.

    But there is no way, IMHO, the Reds will come even close this year. Their only hope is to try and finish with some sort of "respectability" - if that is even possible in this division - and play for the sake of their pride (if they have any).

    Should they be playing like they can get back into this thing? Absolutely! But from a FO's perspective, even if this team recovers somewhat, they need to realize that much is needed to be done, and not allow any "success" they may have in this second half to dissuade them otherwise. Don't allow themselves to be deceived.
    True about the Cards. But as we see this year, they aren't what they looked like last year. Instead of trying to catch lightning in a bottle for that one magical season I'd rather try to build a talented team. Luck might get you through one season, but talent gets you through more.

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    Re: What would a sweep of the Brewers do?

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    But it would cost a lot of money to do "fix it" without blowing it up. How much does an effective bullpen cost? Not a few pieces, but the whole thing? They would need at least one other effective starter and a power RH batter.

    That's a large investment.
    Not really. Why would it cost alot of money to right this bullpen?

    The Mets are paying Wagner 10.5 mil/yr and he has one more save (20) then Weathers (19).

    How much is Brandon Phillips costing us? $470,000/year. What are we paying Hatteberg, who, regardless of his age, has been producing. What about a Josh Hamilton?

    For the most part, and IMHO, our BP has sucked, other then a guy like Stanton, because of youth and inexperience. Some of these guys have yet to learn how to pitch at the ML level.

    It simply boils down to having the right people doing the scouting, player evaluation, and development. The mindset of simply spending tons of money as the only way to build a contending team is simply wrong.

    If so, then how is MIlwaukee now in 1st place? Their 2007 payroll is 19th at 71 mil. We're right behind them at 20th (69 Mil).

    It's HOW you allocate/spend it IMO.
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    Re: What would a sweep of the Brewers do?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    True about the Cards. But as we see this year, they aren't what they looked like last year. Instead of trying to catch lightning in a bottle for that one magical season I'd rather try to build a talented team. Luck might get you through one season, but talent gets you through more.
    I thoroughly agree. The problem is that once you build that team that can compete for several years, whether it's the Indians of the 90s, the A's, or even the current Milwaukee team - you then have the difficult task of trying to hold them together. And financial constraints, player salary demands, make that very difficult on smaller market teams.

    You have to be more astute (wiser) then those bigger market teams because you can't afford to make mistakes. A team like the Yankees or Boston can "absorb" most mistakes and bounce back more quickly. Teams like the Reds, and some others, cannot. We're in the "waiting" mode right now, trying to get out from under 20 Mil of bad contracts in just two players (Milton/Jr).
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    Re: What would a sweep of the Brewers do?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Not really. Why would it cost alot of money to right this bullpen?

    The Mets are paying Wagner 10.5 mil/yr and he has one more save (20) then Weathers (19).

    How much is Brandon Phillips costing us? $470,000/year. What are we paying Hatteberg, who, regardless of his age, has been producing. What abut Hamilton?

    For the most part, and IMHO, our BP has sucked, other then a guy like Stanton, because of youth and inexperience. Some of these guys have yet to learn how to pitch at the ML level.

    It simply boils down to having the right people doing the scouting, player evaluation, and development. The mindset of simply spending tons of money as the only way to build a contending team is simply wrong.

    If so, then how is MIlwaukee now in 1st place? Their 2007 payroll is 19th at 71 mil. We're right behind them at 20th (69 Mil).

    It's HOW you allocate/spend it IMO.
    I think you misunderstood what I was saying. To take the current team and add players to it to make it competitive, then it will make the overall payroll rise to levels that I doubt Cast will want to carry. To add an entire bullpen to the current payroll, along with a mid-tier starter and a power RH bat, what will that cost? $25 million per year, at least? The bullpen is more than just the closer.


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