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    Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    It's no secret that Nationals general manager Jim Bowden covets Reds left fielder Adam Dunn and no surprise that the Nats are pursuing Dunn, according to major-league sources.

    Whether the Nationals can obtain Dunn is another question.
    One, they will face competition from other clubs in the trade market as the non-waiver deadline draws closer.

    Two, they might not be willing to meet the Reds' price, assuming the Reds even like their prospects.

    And three, they would be risking a mere rental of Dunn, who will become a free agent at the end of the season if he is traded.

    While a trade does not appear close, the Reds have scouted the Nationals' most talented minor-league club, Class A Potomac.

    Bowden, who was the Reds' GM when the team drafted Dunn in 1998, probably thinks that if he can get Dunn to D.C., he can talk him into signing long-term.

    Dunn, 28, would be the centerpiece of the Nationals' rebuilding program as they move into their new ballpark next season and heaven knows that the Nats, last in the majors with 59 home runs, need the power.

    Then again, after spending his entire career playing for losing teams in Cincinnati, Dunn might prefer to join an established contender.

    In the worst-case scenario, if Bowden failed to sign Dunn long-term, the Nats would receive two high draft picks when he departed as a free agent.

    It is not clear which other contenders are interested in Dunn. The Twins and Angels are among those looking for offense, and the Yankees and Red Sox always monitor the availability of big-name talent. The Padres, who have had past interest in Dunn, are more focused on improving their bench and adding depth to their rotation.
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    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    I'll bet that Wayne makes any player offered from Washington in a trade take not just 1 but 2 physicals before accepting the trade. Due diligence squared.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    All talks better include Chris Marrero for starters.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Here's the National League players from the Elias' Sports Bureau's group of "A" and "B" players after the 2006 season. The rankings always come from service over the last two years, so in this case, 2005-2006. The new rankings come out at the end of the year and it will cover the 2006-2007 seasons to determine Free-Agent Compensation eligibility. The rankings are used to determine whether players are Type "A," "B" or "C" free agents. Their classification determines which draft picks a former team receives as compensation if the player signs with another team. The top 30% in each group get an "A" ranking, the next 20% a "B" ranking and the group between 50% and 60% a "C" ranking.

    1 Albert Pujols 100.000 A
    2 Jason Bay 96.000 A
    3 Matt Holliday 95.111 A
    4 Lance Berkman 89.565 A
    5 Moises Alou 86.444 A
    6 Pat Burrell 85.778 A
    7 J.D. Drew 85.111 A
    8 Todd Helton 84.348 A
    9 Brian Giles 83.333 A
    10 Derrek Lee 82.609 A
    11 Andruw Jones 80.667 A
    12 Geoff Jenkins 80.556 A
    13 Carlos Beltran 80.444 A
    14 Alfonso Soriano 80.222 A
    15 Ryan Howard 80.000 A
    16 Carlos Delgado 79.130 A
    17 Adam Dunn 78.889 A
    18 Ken Griffey Jr. 78.000 A
    19 Nick Johnson 77.391 A
    20 Luis Gonzalez 75.778 A
    21 Brad Hawpe 75.556 A
    22 Shawn Green 73.556 A
    23 Randy Winn 73.222 A
    24t Brady Clark 72.000 A
    24t Jim Edmonds 72.000 A
    26t Mike Cameron 71.333 A
    26t Cliff Floyd 71.333 A
    28 Aubrey Huff 70.889 A
    29 Juan Encarnacion 70.667 A
    30 Barry Bonds 70.000 A
    31 Jacque Jones 67.111 A
    32 Matt Murton 66.889 A
    33 David Dellucci 66.333 A
    34 Dave Roberts 66.000 A
    35 Austin Kearns 65.444 A
    36 Kenny Lofton 64.444 B
    37 Josh Willingham 63.111 B
    38 Ryan Church 62.000 B
    39 Ryan Freel 61.333 B
    40 Aaron Rowand 61.111 B
    41 Jeff Conine 60.889 B
    42 Preston Wilson 60.778 B
    43 Nomar Garciaparra 60.000 B
    44 Jeff Francoeur 58.889 B
    45t Kevin Mench 58.444 B
    45t Xavier Nady 58.444 B
    47 Juan Pierre 58.111 B
    48 Jose Guillen 57.556 B
    49 Andre Ethier 55.889 B
    50 Shea Hillenbrand 54.783 B
    51 Ryan Klesko 53.778 B
    52 Chris Duncan 53.444 B
    53 Marlon Anderson 53.222 B
    54 Adam LaRoche 53.043 B
    55 Willy Taveras 52.222 B
    56 Luke Scott 52.111 B
    57t Jeromy Burnitz 51.111 B
    57t Matt Diaz 51.111 B
    The rest are C players or below.


    Here's a reminder on how Compensation works:

    Free Agent Compensation
    A club may receive draft-pick compensation if it loses a free agent if:

    the player signs with another club before December 2, or
    the club offered arbitration to the free agent but failed to re-sign him.
    Compensation is based on the free agent’s place in the Elias Sports Bureau’s ranking of all major league players by position based on their performance during the last two seasons. Players are ranked by league in one of five positional groups: 1) 1B/DH/OF, 2) 2B/SS/3B, 3) catchers, 4) starting pitchers or 5) relief pitchers. The statistical criteria, which vary by position, are not public.

    Type A players:
    Those who rank in the top 30 percent at their position. (The Type A pool shrinks to the top 20 percent after the 2007 season.)
    Compensation for a Type A player is the signing club’s first-round draft pick and a supplemental pick between the first and second rounds.
    Type B players:
    Those who rank between 31 and 50 percent. (The Type B pool shrinks to between 21 and 40 percent after the 2007 season.)
    Compensation for a Type B player is a supplemental pick between the first and second rounds.
    Exceptions

    If the signing club’s first-round draft pick falls in the upper half of the first round, that choice is protected and the signing club loses its second-round selection instead.
    If a club signs multiple free agents within the same category, its earlier pick goes to the team that lost the higher-rated player.



    I don't know what it is for type C players, if it's anything, but Elias Sports Bureau had rankings for them.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    I figured someone would be curious, so here's the American League FirstBasemen/Outfielders/DH category for Free-Agent Compensation status from the Elias Sports Bureau after the 2006 season (2005-2006 numbers having been used):

    1 Vladimir Guerrero 95.278 A
    2 Manny Ramirez 93.750 A
    3t Travis Hafner 93.333 A
    3t David Ortiz 93.333 A
    5t Paul Konerko 93.077 A
    5t Mark Teixeira 93.077 A
    7 Bobby Abreu 89.444 A
    8 Raul Ibanez 85.000 A
    9 Lyle Overbay 84.615 A
    10t Jermaine Dye 84.444 A
    10t Grady Sizemore 84.444 A
    12 Johnny Damon 82.083 A
    13 Gary Sheffield 81.944 A
    14 Hideki Matsui 81.667 A
    15 Carlos Lee 80.833 A
    16 Vernon Wells 79.444 A
    17 Magglio Ordonez 78.611 A
    18 Richie Sexson 76.923 A
    19 Jason Giambi 76.154 A
    20 Ichiro Suzuki 75.694 A
    21 Gary Matthews Jr. 75.556 A
    22 Justin Morneau 75.385 A
    23 Carl Crawford 74.861 A
    24 Emil Brown 73.611 A
    25 Sean Casey 72.308 A
    26 Jim Thome 71.667 A
    27 Torii Hunter 70.833 A
    28 David DeJesus 69.444 A
    29 Nick Swisher 69.167 A
    30 Juan Rivera 67.500 A
    31 Michael Cuddyer 65.278 A
    32 Kevin Millar 65.000 A
    33 Frank Catalanotto 63.611 A
    34t Milton Bradley 63.333 B
    34t Coco Crisp 63.333 B
    34t Frank Thomas 63.333 B
    37t Reed Johnson 62.500 B
    37t Trot Nixon 62.500 B
    39t Garret Anderson 60.833 B
    39t Chone Figgins 60.833 B
    41t Craig Monroe 60.000 B
    41t Mike Sweeney 60.000 B
    43 Casey Blake 59.722 B
    44 Jay Gibbons 59.444 B
    45 Alex Rios 58.611 B
    46 Ben Broussard 57.692 B
    47 Mark Kotsay 53.333 B
    48t Eric Hinske 53.077 B
    48t Kevin Youkilis 53.077 B
    50 Jay Payton 52.083 B
    51 Mark DeRosa 51.944 B
    52 Greg Norton 51.667 B
    53 Rocco Baldelli 50.833 B
    54 Jason Michaels 50.556 B
    55 Brad Wilkerson 48.611 B
    56 Jonny Gomes 48.333 B
    57 Reggie Sanders 48.056 B
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    If someone is interested in Adam Dunn for the next several years, it would be cheaper for them to get him now from us because then they'd just be resigning their own player instead of having to pay someone else a high draft pick for next year if they sign him after he was with another team. If they fail to sign him, then they still get two extra picks themselves. So, Dunn has a lot of trade value right now for that reason alone.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Stay away Wayne.

    Stay very far away.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Dunn, 28, would be the centerpiece of the Nationals' rebuilding program as they move into their new ballpark next season — and heaven knows that the Nats, last in the majors with 59 home runs, need the power.
    Hmmmm, that is strange. About one year ago I read here at RZ that the Nats got a lot of power in a trade they made with some team that plays by the Ohio River. A lot of power.... what happened?
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Hmmmm, that is strange. About one year ago I read here at RZ that the Nats got a lot of power in a trade they made with some team that plays by the Ohio River. A lot of power.... what happened?
    And the Reds got bullpen help.....a lot of bullpen help.

    Both teams swung and missed.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Hopefully, Wayne uses the Nat's "interest" to up the ante in the bidding process for Dunn.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    maybe this time.. he makes sure Chad Cordero is included in the trade and makes Bowden take back magic man!!! still im leary of bowden.. he screwed us once, he will again

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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    or make sure we get Zimmerman in the deal and Cordero.. then we can trade Edwin for pitching as well.

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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    I doubt the Nats are parting with Zimmerman. I don't think they'd include Zimmerman if we included Encarnacion.

    I could see Cordero being involved however, and that scares me, because the Nats have been asking for a king's ransom for Cordero.

    I'd like to see Cordero and Marrero involved in the deal, but I think that's highly unlikely.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Years ago, it was reported that a few GMs wrote Jim Bowden's name off their list of contacts after experiencing the short side of a deal with the Reds. If memory serves, Steve Phillips was one of them. Interesting that WK would be entertaining anything from JB after last year's Magic mess.
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    Re: Rosenthal: Nationals and Reds disussing Dunn

    Maybe we could get Chris Booker, D'Angelo Jimenez, Felipe Lopez, Dmitri Young and Austin Kearns.
    Will trade this space for a #1 starter.


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