Look at lance Berkman he batted around .200 last year with no one on, and in the .320s with someone on base and he had almost 40 rbis more. And Houston scored no where near the amount of runs the reds did.
With protection Dunn walks less and strikes out more. I think id rather have him with no protection why glorify his faults by putting him in that position?
Do you get extra credit for driving in a run depending on the circumstances?
Does a solo homer count for one run just like a single with a man on third?
Does batting average with RISP give the batter credit for a sac fly or a grounder to the right side? Both of those can drive in the run but don't improve the BA w/RISP.
Which is better, a home run or a single?
Does batting average w/RISP give you the same credit for a single and a home run?
Did you know Adam Dunn's batting average with runners on base this season is better than with the bases empty? (.265 vs .262) Or is that not the propaganda you want to believe?
Did you know Adam Dunn's career OPS is better with RISP than with the bases empty? Or is that also not the propaganda you want to believe?
If you were a pitcher would you give Adam Dunn a nice pitch to hit with RISP? Or would you pitch around him to face Alex Gonzalez or Edwin Encarnacion?
Even if you could find a way to prove Dunn isn't an RBI producer (which you can't since he gets 100+ every year), then how would you plan to denigrate his 100+ runs scored per year? Who else on the Reds scores 100 runs per year? Freel? Griffey? Hatteberg? Phillips? Nope, nope, nope and nope.
If i was a Pitcher and the reds were down by 1 run and a guy was on 3rd and 2nd i would rather pitch to Dunn than Edwin yes. Sure Dunn could hit that 3 run homer but you know what hes also much more likely to get out.
The only comparison I have read thus far is that Adam Dunn isn't Lance Berkman. Guess what? A very precious few in the game are. The heart of the Dunn criticism stems from exaggerrated hype and expectaions rather than actual production and evidence.
I guess it is conveniently left out that Dunn is out-pacing Berkman THIS YEAR in AVG., SLG., OPS, R, HR, RBI, and SB. But yeah, Dunn didn't have a good of year last year as one of the best hitters in baseball. Shame on him.
Last edited by Fil3232; 07-25-2007 at 11:40 PM.
Its not just Lance Berkman either, Look at other players who are these top RBI guys. Dunn is the worst of them all. Yet we are ready to pay more money than other guys that are better than him?
Dunn is one of the least likely of the Reds to make an out. Only Hatteberg and Griffey are less likely than Dunn to make an out. Dunn's on-base % proves that he is 3rd-most likely on the team to get on base (same as avoiding an out).
How is that "getting out at a ridiculous rate"?
Hatteberg's is so high because he only plays against right-handed pitchers:
.418 vs RH
.280 vs LH
Dunn's OB% actually improves with RISP:
.360 w/ bases empty
.371 w/ runners on base
.368 w/ RISP
.415 w/ RISP and 2 outs
.333 w/ bases loaded
That is pretty darn good. Turns out Dunn does quite well in those RBI situations doesn't it?
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