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    Griffey to Seattle?

    Found this on C Trent's blog this morning ...

    Also, yeah, I've heard the rumors about Griffey being traded to Seattle. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I am saying it hasn't. Even though I don't think it will.
    Anyone hear anything else on this?

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    "I heard Griffey will be traded to Oz for a couple of munchcens. Im not saying it won't happen but im saying it hasn't....I don't think itll happen..."

    Sometimes i think some of htese guys throw crap up on the wall and see what sticks.

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    No team needs Jr. more than the Mariners. No city would welcome him more than Seattle.

    If Jr. gets dealt, that's where he's going.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    C Trent's comment was worded funny enough for it to be true.

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Griffey is not their savior.

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Well, I am a Mariners fan as well as being a Reds fan. I was at the game on June 24th when Jr. hit two home runs, and the fans gave him a standing ovation. At the end of the game, Ken waved his cap at the fans and acknowledged his appreciation for them. Many Mariners fans would love to have him back.

    That being said, the Mariners probably do not need him to put people in the seats. Their average attendance is already up over last year (31,725 so far in 2007; 30,626 in 2006) but it used to be higher. Their average attendance was 43,300 in 2001, and 43,739 in 2002, and 40,351 in 2003, and 36, 305 in 2004. Of course their highest years since Safeco Field opened in 1999 have been the years they won the most games.

    The Mariners have two of the best outfield prospects in the game waiting in AAA Tacoma.

    Adam Jones has a 2007 line of .317/.385/.587 for an OPS of .972 with 24 Home runs.
    Wladimir Balentien has a line of .306/. 379/.554 for an OPS of .933 with 23 Home runs.

    The Mariners current outfield is Jose Guillen in right, Ichiro in center, and Raul Ibanez in left. Jose Vidro is their main DH. Mariners fans are already mad that Jones hasn't been called up to Seattle.

    Why would the Mariners want to add Juniors salary and delay these two big bats MLB debut? Well, Junior is certainly the more proven MLB commodity, and will boost attendance. But many in the Mariners more knowledgeable fan base don’t want them to acquire any outside outfield help.

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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    That being said, the Mariners probably do not need him to put people in the seats. Their average attendance is already up over last year (31,725 so far in 2007; 30,626 in 2006) but it used to be higher. Their average attendance was 43,300 in 2001, and 43,739 in 2002, and 40,351 in 2003, and 36, 305 in 2004. Of course their highest years since Safeco Field opened in 1999 have been the years they won the most games.

    The Mariners have two of the best outfield prospects in the game waiting in AAA Tacoma.

    Adam Jones has a 2007 line of .317/.385/.587 for an OPS of .972 with 24 Home runs.
    Wladimir Balentien has a line of .306/. 379/.554 for an OPS of .933 with 23 Home runs.

    The Mariners current outfield is Jose Guillen in right, Ichiro in center, and Raul Ibanez in left. Jose Vidro is their main DH. Mariners fans are already mad that Jones hasn't been called up to Seattle.

    Why would the Mariners want to add Juniors salary and delay these two big bats MLB debut? Well, Junior is certainly the more proven MLB commodity, and will boost attendance. But many in the Mariners more knowledgeable fan base don’t want them to acquire any outside outfield help.

    From U.S.S. Mariner yesterday: “The only thing this team needs less than a new right-handed reliever is a new center fielder.”

    I know a lot of people here would like to have Guillen back.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    That being said, the Mariners probably do not need him to put people in the seats. Their average attendance is already up over last year (31,725 so far in 2007; 30,626 in 2006) but it used to be higher. Their average attendance was 43,300 in 2001, and 43,739 in 2002, and 40,351 in 2003, and 36, 305 in 2004. Of course their highest years since Safeco Field opened in 1999 have been the years they won the most games.
    So that's more than 10,000 fans a game the team could draw. That's a lot of seats in search of fannies. Jr. would surely help cure that problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    The Mariners have two of the best outfield prospects in the game waiting in AAA Tacoma.

    Adam Jones has a 2007 line of .317/.385/.587 for an OPS of .972 with 24 Home runs.
    Wladimir Balentien has a line of .306/. 379/.554 for an OPS of .933 with 23 Home runs.

    The Mariners current outfield is Jose Guillen in right, Ichiro in center, and Raul Ibanez in left. Jose Vidro is their main DH. Mariners fans are already mad that Jones hasn't been called up to Seattle.

    Why would the Mariners want to add Juniors salary and delay these two big bats MLB debut? Well, Junior is certainly the more proven MLB commodity, and will boost attendance. But many in the Mariners more knowledgeable fan base don’t want them to acquire any outside outfield help.

    From U.S.S. Mariner yesterday: “The only thing this team needs less than a new right-handed reliever is a new center fielder.”
    Well, Jr. wouldn't be a CF. The Mariners decidedly lack power, particularly from LF and DH. If the franchise wants to win something this year or next, Jones and Balentien probably aren't the answer. Jones seems to be the anointed star of the duo, so if the Mariners could build an OF/DH mix around Ichiro/Guillen/Jones/Jr. that would probably be the best mix of immediate and long-term concerns.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    So that's more than 10,000 fans a game the team could draw. That's a lot of seats in search of fannies. Jr. would surely help cure that problem.
    I think Griffey clearly adds attendance there. Still, with the M's still in the race in August for the first time in several years, it is going up already. For the just ended 4 game series against the A's, who are back a ways behind the Ms, they pulled 34 k, 37 k, 41 k, and 41 k. The weekend games were sell outs. Not sure that Jr. would add many more on those games.


    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Well, Jr. wouldn't be a CF. The Mariners decidedly lack power, particularly from LF and DH. If the franchise wants to win something this year or next, Jones and Balentien probably aren't the answer. Jones seems to be the anointed star of the duo, so if the Mariners could build an OF/DH mix around Ichiro/Guillen/Jones/Jr. that would probably be the best mix of immediate and long-term concerns.
    I agree with that mostly. Raul Ibanez has been a real disappointment his year so far. Vidro has a decent average and OBP, but also no power.

    However, to get Jr., the Ms will have to give up something fairly good, add salary, and push back a minor leaguer's development. We shall see....maybe they would do it....
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    So that's more than 10,000 fans a game the team could draw. That's a lot of seats in search of fannies. Jr. would surely help cure that problem.
    I don't think attendance for the feel good weekend of the summer is a good barometer for the impact that Jr would have on attendance in Safeco. My guess is Jr might have a slight effect, but his impact wouldn't come close to the impact of making the playoffs. Jr really isn't the silver bullet needed for that to happen though.

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Well, Jr. wouldn't be a CF. The Mariners decidedly lack power, particularly from LF and DH. If the franchise wants to win something this year or next, Jones and Balentien probably aren't the answer. Jones seems to be the anointed star of the duo, so if the Mariners could build an OF/DH mix around Ichiro/Guillen/Jones/Jr. that would probably be the best mix of immediate and long-term concerns.
    Jones actually absolutely is the answer. He should play left starting yesterday. Then simply pull an Earl Weaver and platoon Ibanez/Guillen and Sexson/Broussard while mixing in Vidro when he's not playing cards with Bloomquist on the bench. Not only would the defense be dramatically upgraded but the offense would be as well because Guillen would'nt be getting murdered by righties (.247/.314/.367) and Ibanez wouldn't be getting schooled by lefties (.245 /.263/.300).

    The Ms have NO need for position players in trade. They could significantly improve their lineup daily by simply pulling their head out of their arse.

    The Ms DO need a quality starter though if they want to be more than pretenders for the playoff chase.

    As for Wlad Balentien, he's almost certainly going to be traded before next spring training. Clement very well could go too. Unfortunately the Reds and Ms don't really match as trading partners unless the Reds made Arroyo available.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Jones actually absolutely is the answer. He should play left starting yesterday. Then simply pull an Earl Weaver and platoon Ibanez/Guillen and Sexson/Broussard while mixing in Vidro when he's not playing cards with Bloomquist on the bench. Not only would the defense be dramatically upgraded but the offense would be as well because Guillen would'nt be getting murdered by righties (.247/.314/.367) and Ibanez wouldn't be getting schooled by lefties (.245 /.263/.300).

    The Ms have NO need for position players in trade. They could significantly improve their lineup daily by simply pulling their head out of their arse.

    The Ms DO need a quality starter though if they want to be more than pretenders for the playoff chase.

    As for Wlad Balentien, he's almost certainly going to be traded before next spring training. Clement very well could go too. Unfortunately the Reds and Ms don't really match as trading partners unless the Reds made Arroyo available.
    Is Jones going to be appreciably better than a Delmon Young or Carlos Quentin at this juncture? I agree that he could probably do better than Ibanez, but that's not really saying anything. He's 22. He's probably not going to light the league on fire out of the gate.

    You're absolutely right the M's need a quality starting pitcher more than they need a bat, but I don't know of a single quality starting pitcher on the current market. Plus, the M's do still need a big bat. Jones probably isn't going to be that guy this season (though they'd be well-served to find that out on the field). My take is if the M's added Jr. and called up Jones, they might have enough of an offense to overcome that overcome that pitching.

    Jose Vidro and Raul Ibanez would be a lot better on the bench.

    Anyway, that team has more than a single need. It's played over its head this season and it probably needs to make an aggressive move or two in order to steal a spot in the playoffs. I'm not sure this is anything more than a break in the storm clouds for that franchise, so why not go for it?
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Is Jones going to be appreciably better than a Delmon Young or Carlos Quentin at this juncture? I agree that he could probably do better than Ibanez, but that's not really saying anything. He's 22. He's probably not going to light the league on fire out of the gate.

    You're absolutely right the M's need a quality starting pitcher more than they need a bat, but I don't know of a single quality starting pitcher on the current market. Plus, the M's do still need a big bat. Jones probably isn't going to be that guy this season (though they'd be well-served to find that out on the field). My take is if the M's added Jr. and called up Jones, they might have enough of an offense to overcome that overcome that pitching.

    Jose Vidro and Raul Ibanez would be a lot better on the bench.

    Anyway, that team has more than a single need. It's played over its head this season and it probably needs to make an aggressive move or two in order to steal a spot in the playoffs. I'm not sure this is anything more than a break in the storm clouds for that franchise, so why not go for it?
    Concerning the pitching, it's very likely that an upgrade isn't possible this season. That's no reason to spend chips like Jones, Wlad and Clement on things that they could accomplish without going shopping. This offseason it may very well be possible to use those chips to get an upgrade their rotation.

    The Ms absolutely DO NOT need to trade for another bat. Between the significant defensive upgrade in Safeco's leftfield (think of it as CF with an asterisk relative to it's importance given the effect of the Puget Sound) and the boost by actually using Ibanez/Guillen and Co in a way that maximizes their production while limiting their weaknesses, there is no need to add a bat.

    Jr in RF (.272 /.386/.526) really isn't an upgrade over a platoon of Ibanez/Guillen in right (lefty: .396/.476/.670; righty: .259/.326/.436). Jr certainly wouldn't be worth the cost of his acquisition when the Ms could essentially get similar production by simply being smarter about how they use the guys they already have. This wouldn't require taking on any salary and more importantly it wouldn't cost talent. There would be no risk that Jr would get hurt and while the RF defense would still suck, adding Jr wouldn't exactly help in that regard anyway.

    Concerning Jones, his glove alone represents a pretty substantial upgrade over Ibanez who is now grading out lower than Dunn defensively. Concerning Jones' bat, here is what Pecota thought Jones could be expected to do in the majors this season before factoring in his breakout summer in AAA: .262/.319/.431. That line would already be a little better than the current AL average for LF (.267/.328/.414). It's probably reasonable to think Jones could do something like .275/.330/.440 for the Ms. That by the way would also represent a significant upgrade offensively over their current situation. Together with his glove, and the newfound ability to platoon other guys, just calling up Jones could have a significant impact on the Ms.

    The Ms really do have the answers they need in house. And while nothing probably substitutes for a bonified quality starter, they can go a long way towards upgrading the pitching by simply making they outfield behind them a much tougher place to get a hit.

    Once again, this could all be done in house without giving up anything. I know it's not as sexy as bringing in someone else's cool toy, but it's ALOT smarter.

    Well anyway, that's how I tend to think through issues related to roster construction.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    I thought Griffey's interest was said to be only in a trade that would move him closer to his ailing parents. Since he has veto rights, it seems wholly implausible that any of the above reasons would outweigh that and lead him to sign off on a trade that takes him 3 timezones farther away from them.
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    Re: Griffey to Seattle?

    I think it would be a GREAT story for Junior to go back to the M's...but I don't think it is going to happen.

    Junior isn't going anywhere...the Reds have invested as much money in him as they have (yes even with home town discount) and now he is finally physically able to produce and nearing 600 HR's...the Reds would have to get back SO MUCH to give up the marketing and ticket revenue from this..Because of the milestone the asking price would be INCREDIBLY STEEP...Junior isn't going anywhere.

    Maybe Dunn will be going someplace...but Junior isn't until after he hits 600
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