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    Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Seriously, the market for reliable relievers is red hot right now, so why aren't we selling high on Weathers? The Reds don't need him the rest of this season, and with some of the returns (Chase Wright, Clement, Davies) being offered for relievers, the Reds REALLY ought to be taking advantage of the market.

    Latest rumor has Jeff Clement being offered by the Mariners for Al Reyes. Why aren't the Reds in on this one, seeing as how this year Weathers has better numbers, and he and Reyes are comparable in experience and age. Picking up Clement would be a coup.
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    I saw Tampa Bay and Seattles possible trade and thought the same thing.. you have got to capitalize on a deal like that.
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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    I'm guessing they are figuring with such a putrid bullpen that a bird in the hand (Weathers only consistent reliever in house and signed relatively cheap through next year) is worth two in the bush. I can see that argument having some merit. Since they are in need of relievers themselves, they would be in need of major league ready relievers in return, and the only reason they would net that is if a contender was looking for experience over relying on a young guy during a pennant race.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    They think they will need a closer next year.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    I'm on the Trade Weathers boat all the way. I just think there's too much risk that he'll have a down year next year.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    They think they will need a closer next year.
    Just a couple of arms away from contention...

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Weathers has had a nice season, expecting the same level of performance in the future is a recipe for failure. His track record suggests he is nothing more than a middling reliever having what is for him, an excellent season.
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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Just a couple of arms away from contention...
    Eddie and Bray. They are both almost ready.
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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    I'm on the Trade Weathers boat all the way. I just think there's too much risk that he'll have a down year next year.
    I agree. I was a little surprised to read he wasn't available.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I agree. I was a little surprised to read he wasn't available.
    just another example of this organization being unable to differentiate current level of performance versus actual level of talent.

    Players have "career" type seasons(usually a number of times). Being able to tell the difference between random events versus an actual increase in talent is the key. There is nothing in Weathers peripherals that suggest he has suddenly increased his talent level.
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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Here's a little blurb about Weathers and Junior on mlbtraderumors.

    The Mets are also talking to the Reds; could've been about Ken Griffey Jr. or David Weathers. From what we've heard, though, Weathers is not available. And would Junior approve a trade to the Mets? He vetoed a trade there once before.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Just a couple of arms away from contention...
    At this point, it is my opinion that Cast and Kriv truly do believe that.

    After today, I can just imagine the quotes right now: "We couldn't find anyone out there better than the guys we already have. They just need to pitch better."

    I'd also look for Mackanin to be extended to next year sometime in the next two weeks. Kriv seems very happy with the club as it is right now, and how it's playing under Pete.

    I also think he's completely gunshy after all the criticism he received last year after the Big Trade. That's a problem...

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    I know keeping a semi respectable team on the field for the fans is a part of it, but building for the future and trying to compete for fourth place at the same time has always bugged me. If you're gonna sign a few free agents and try to compete next year, then keep him, but if you're just using Weathers as a way to avoid the cellar next season, it's a waste of value.

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    Re: Why aren't the Reds trading Weathers?

    I'm not saying they will trade Weathers, but in all fairness, the deadline hasn't passed yet. Let's wait and see what happens.


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