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    Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Remarkable that somehow all four of the Reds top prospects, Bailey, Bruce, Votto and Cueto are with the AAA team. In some cases it may be temporary, but I doubt it. I think Krivsky has decided that the minor league system is ready to provide the major league team with a real boost. Almost immediately.

    Krivsky didn't run to make deals for second tier minor league talent because he thinks he has top tier talent ready to go. Add a couple of others, perhaps Pelland -- now a reliever at AAA -- and perhaps Dumatrait if things go well, perhaps Roenicke the hard throwing reliever in AA, and the Reds may indeed have a youth spurt by early next season. And Maloney, just acquired, is pretty dominant at AA, could find himself in the bigs sometime next season.

    Making room for these new young pitchers is easy, the current Reds staff has lots of guys who can be dropped. Votto is easy too, just don't pick up Hatteberg next year, or move him to the bench. Bruce is a little harder, requires moving an outfielder, but obviously it will happen sooner or a bit later.

    Forgot Cantu and Dickerson, two guys I can easily see in bench roles with next year's Reds.

    So maybe there is a plan. Maybe Krivsky sees next year's Reds over at Louisville.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    You have to believe Votto and Bailey are locks. Cueto and Bruce might start the season in AAA but I could see them getting called up during the 2008 season. On Bruce.. he has been pretty consistent at Louisville.. and depending on the moves made from now until the start of the 2008 season. One thing is for sure the future is bright..
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    You have to believe Votto and Bailey are locks.
    ... Bailey's peripheral numbers indicate he isn't ready yet. Cueto on the other hand ...
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    ... Bailey's peripheral numbers indicate he isn't ready yet. Cueto on the other hand ...
    2007 AAA:

    Bailey is 6-3 (12 Starts) w/ 3.07 ERA

    Cueto is 2-0 (2 Starts) w/ 1.64 ERA

    Minor League Totals:

    Bailey: 24-13 (66 Games / 59 Starts) w/ 3.26 ERA

    Cueto: 26-12 (62 Games / 54 Starts) w/ 3.29 ERA

    Although they are pretty much identical overall I still think Cueto starts in AAA just because he hasn't pitched at the AAA level that long. Now I know a lot of teams by pass prospects with limited starts if at all at the AAA level.. I got to believe they wont rush the 21 year old.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    ... Bailey's peripheral numbers indicate he isn't ready yet. Cueto on the other hand ...
    I'm just now starting to come around to the idea that Cueto may be the better prospect of the two...
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    KK/B Rate(Dom) BB/9

    Bailey 59/32 4.3
    Cueto 125/28 2.0

    There is no way Bailey is ready for major league success with a Dom under 2 and a BB rate over 4. There numbers are a recipe for failure.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Some of Bailey's struggles might have to do with the sore/weak groin he has been pitching with (if indeed it has been a nagging problem). His secondary pitches certiainly are not ready for a successfull stint as a major league starter, but assuming that the groin is the reason for some of the lost zip on his fastball, he might be capable of going all Papelbon on us in 2008. Which might not be such a bad thing.

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    The Reds may think Bailey is a certianty for them in 2008 but I think the reality is he needs another yearat least in the minors.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by puca View Post
    he might be capable of going all Papelbon on us in 2008. Which might not be such a bad thing.
    Papelbon has a plus fastball and a nasty splitter for an out pitch. Bailey is lacking the nasty out pitch. he needs to work on refining his command.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    I hope the "Cueto is too short to be a starter" thoughts are gone now.

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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I hope the "Cueto is too short to be a starter" thoughts are gone now.
    The Reds need quality pitchers as starters and relievers. If Cueto doesn't develop the 3rd pitch to be a quality MLB starter he could be just as valuable in the bullpen.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    The Reds need quality pitchers as starters and relievers. If Cueto doesn't develop the 3rd pitch to be a quality MLB starter he could be just as valuable in the bullpen.
    Good point. I won't be disappointed at all if he ends up as a quality back end reliever. I'd prefer to see him make it as a starter though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I'd prefer to see him make it as a starter though.
    that would be the best thing but if it doesn't it may not be bad.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    I think it's a bad idea to count on unproven minor leaguers to have a positive impact in 2008. They might get called up, but it's unlikely that they'll be able to sustain any real success over a full season. It will probably be 2010 before they're fully functional major leaguers, and by then the Reds will have aching needs in many places. That's why it's important for Krivsky to acquire some second-tier talent.
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    Re: Your 2008 Reds -- now at AAA?

    My take on Bailey and Cueto is that neither should be pitching in the majors next year.

    Pitching development requires patience and the sober perspective that the final steps are the hardest. A franchise must constantly fight the temptation to promote these kids before they're ready because it really screws them up when it happens.

    I'd tell both kids that if they can dominate AAA for the entire 2008 season then perhaps they'll be pitching in the majors in September.
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