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    Reds Bull Pen - Year to Date

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    #  YEAR     NAME        AGE  IP    BABIP  WHIP   H9     BB9  SO9   HR9   ERA 
    1. 2007 David Weathers  37  54.7   .281   1.13   7.74  2.47  6.75  0.33  3.29 
    2. 2007 Todd Coffey     26  44.3   .355   1.71  12.18  3.25  7.11  2.03  5.48 
    3. 2007 Victor Santos   30  44.0   .308   1.43   8.80  4.09  7.36  1.23  4.50 
    4. 2007 Mike Stanton    40  36.0   .369   1.67  12.00  3.00  6.50  0.75  5.25 
    5. 2007 Jon Coutlangus  26  34.7   .275   1.53   7.27  6.49  7.53  0.78  3.89 
    6. 2007 Kirk Saarloos   28  24.3   .346   1.82  11.83  4.55  5.46  0.91  8.19 
    7. 2007 Brad Salmon     27  20.7   .268   1.26   7.84  3.48  7.84  1.31  3.92 
    8. 2007 Michael Gosling 26  18.0   .386   2.06   9.50  9.00 10.50  1.00  4.50 
    9. 2007 Jared Burton    26  17.7   .277   1.58   7.13  7.13  7.64  0.51  4.08 
    10.2007 Marcus Mcbeth   26  10.7   .375   1.50  10.97  2.53  6.75  0.84  7.59 
    11 2007 Gary Majewski   27   5.7   .556   3.00  25.41  1.59  4.76  1.59 15.88 
    12 2007 Ricky Stone     32   5.3   .200   1.31  11.81  0.00  5.06  6.75 10.13
    Ok, the bad stuff is easy to see. 36 IP to Mike Stanton? Todd Coffey is either injured, has a serious mechanical issue or has totally lost confidence in himself. Those who were not thrilled about Captain Kirk were right. He's a batting T. Majic man....enough said.

    But there are some rays of light. And it's not all David Weathers solid performance. And interestingly, its the young guys.

    Jon Coutlangus: Converted position guy in his first real year in the big leagues. And he's a lefty. His WHIP is mediocre at best, however, check out the K/9 and HR/9. Not too shabby. Yes, his BB/9 is gaudy, but he's also very young. It's not like he's been pitching since he was 15. If (a big if) he's used correctly (ie. not Narrons main goto guy) he could be a young, usefull and cheap arm for a few years.

    Brad Salmon: Very small sample issues asside, his WHIP is approaching decent and he sports a 7.84 K/9. That's something to work with, no? He's got one of the lower H/9 on the team (again note small samples) and one of the lowest BB/9 on the team.

    Jared Burton: Decent K/9 and HR/9 numbers. And young. And cheep. Again, not making the case he's a wunderkind. Just saying there's a framework there to work with.

    Marcus McBeth: Still a big ?

    Bill Bray: Stil a big ?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these guys are fantastic studs. But if we could wave a magic wand and import some pitching development know-how into the Reds organization I believe they could be made into something usefull to the team. There is some young tallent amoungst the wreckage of the 2007 bullpen train-wreck. Can it be nurtured and devloped? That's a huge question.

    Unfortunatley, these few bright-spots are totally overshadowed by the horrific performances of the Stantons, Coffeys, Majewski's, etc (talk about shooting yourself in the foot.) and their success may be hampred by a shody pitching development situation.
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    Re: Reds Bull Pen - Year to Date

    Ltlabner, I love your optimism. Helps make my trips to the boards very enjoyable.
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    Personally I'd like to see Salmon, Bray and McBeth all recalled. Send Coffey and Santos down . Start Gosling if Harang is stilll out and send Dumatrait back to Louisville. I don't care if Bray gives us a 4th lefty in the pen , get the better arms up here and see what they can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny View Post
    Ltlabner, I love your optimism. Helps make my trips to the boards very enjoyable.
    Thank you.

    I just wish I had enough optimisim in me to believe that an orginization that has been so unable to develop pitching will somehow figure out how to do so with these young lads.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Salmon definitely should be recalled. I'd option Coffey and swap. I'd also like to see the Reds put Stanton on waivers and see if anyone claims him.


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