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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Bruce
    Bailey
    Cueto
    Votto

    Valaika
    Fraizer
    Wood
    Fisher
    Watson
    Meseraco
    Francisco
    Soto
    Dorn
    Stubbs
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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    It looks like Valaika has taken a huge dive on a lot of people's lists. I know he did on mine.
    1. Homer Bailey
    2. Jay Bruce
    3. Joey Votto
    4. Johnny Cueto
    5. Devin Mesaraco
    6. Drew Stubbs
    7. Todd Frazier
    8. Carlos Fisher
    9. Neftali Soto
    10. Sean Watson
    11. Travis Wood
    12. Matt Maloney
    13. Marcus McBeth
    14. Alex Smit
    15. Kyle Lotzkar
    16. Justin Turner
    17. Josh Roenicke
    18. Chris Valaika
    19. Scott Carroll
    20. Zack Cozart/Brandon Waring/Juan Fancisco
    21. Ty Pelland/Pedro Viola/Brad Salmon/Carlos Guevara
    22. Chris Heisey/Dan Dorn

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    I'm a little different. I value some success at high levels and refuse to include players with little or no time beyond the short season leagues unless its an obvious guy to include like Bailey was. The closest to making the list from this year's class were Soto, Frazier and Waring.

    1. Bruce
    2. Bailey
    3. Cueto
    4. Votto
    5. Fisher
    6. Maloney
    7. Roenicke
    8. Rosales
    9. Dorn
    10. McBeth
    11. Valaika
    12. Dickerson
    13. Wood
    14. Pelland
    15. Viola
    16. Watson
    17. Francisco
    18. Ruzic
    19. Lecure
    20. Salmon

    Just Missed but interesting: Guevara, Tatum, Thompson, Perez, Dumatrait, Medina, Mateo, Geronimo, Smit, Jukich, Cumberland, Asadoorian, Rojas, Heisey, Turner

    Not Eligible: Livingston, Cantu, Bray, Hamilton, Elizardo Ramirez, Coutlangus

    Biggest Drops left off the list intentionally: Stubbs, Janish, Strait

    Too young and at too low a level to be ranked but may appear in 2008: Soto, Frazier, Mesoraco, Waring, Chiu, Lotzkar, Jones
    Last edited by mth123; 08-08-2007 at 04:27 AM.
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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Mth:

    I have to say I agree with you on the value of success. Its fun to rank players on potential/ceiling and sometimes that's why they get drafted but once they sign their first professional contract, very little consideration is given to their ceiling with respect to getting promoted. Promotions are seldom based on ceiling and almost always based on performance (with the occasional promo to fill in for an injury). And, I've never heard of anyone ever making it to the majors because the front office thought the guy had a high ceiling. So, in my mind, once we get passed the draft, the players should be ranked based on the same criteria used to promote them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I'm a little different. I value some success at high levels and refuse to include players with little or no time beyond the short season leagues unless its an obvious guy to include like Bailey was. The closest to making the list from this year's class were Soto, Frazier and Waring.

    1. Bruce
    2. Bailey
    3. Cueto
    4. Votto
    5. Fisher
    6. Maloney
    7. Roenicke
    8. Rosales
    9. Dorn
    10. McBeth
    11. Valaika
    12. Dickerson
    13. Wood
    14. Pelland
    15. Viola
    16. Watson
    17. Francisco
    18. Ruzic
    19. Lecure
    20. Salmon

    Just Missed but interesting: Guevara, Tatum, Thompson, Perez, Dumatrait, Medina, Mateo, Geronimo, Smit, Jukich, Cumberland, Asadoorian, Rojas, Heisey, Turner

    Not Eligible: Livingston, Cantu, Bray, Hamilton, Elizardo Ramirez, Coutlangus

    Biggest Drops left off the list intentionally: Stubbs, Janish, Strait

    Too young and at too low a level to be ranked but may appear in 2008: Soto, Frazier, Mesoraco, Waring, Chiu, Lotzkar, Jones
    Last edited by Triples; 08-08-2007 at 08:13 AM.
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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    1. Bruce
    2. Bailey
    3. Cueto
    4. Votto
    5. Roenicke
    6. Maloney
    7. Wood
    8. Frazier
    9. Valaika
    10. Fisher

    11. Watson
    12. Pelland
    13. Mesoraca
    14. Dickerson
    15. Stubbs
    16. Dorn
    17. Valiquette
    18. Viola
    19. Francisco
    20. Lecure

    Five bonus picks -- 21 R.Gonzalez; 22. McBeth 23. Soto 24. Salmon 25. Asadoorian

    Guys under 19 years old who I hardly know about were excluded as were guys with substantial MLB experience like Cantu. Players in the majors now excluded, like Dumatrait.
    Last edited by Kc61; 08-08-2007 at 09:52 AM.

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    I agree with you mth on dropping players with little success beyond rookie ball, unless they have an enormous pedigree. Thus, here is my list:

    GRADE A
    1. Jay Bruce
    2. Homer Bailey
    3. Joey Votto
    4. Johnny Cueto

    GRADE B
    5. Travis Wood
    6. Matt Maloney
    7. Carlos Fisher
    8. Sean Watson
    9. Juan Francisco

    GRADE C
    10. Daryl Thompson
    11. Josh Roenicke
    12. Todd Frazier
    13. Chris Valaika
    14. Justin Turner
    15. Drew Stubbs
    16. Daniel Dorn
    17. Devin Mesoraco
    18. Chris Dickerson
    19. Neftali Soto
    20. Brandon Waring

    JUST MISSING THE CUT

    Marcus McBeth
    Craig Tatum
    Rafael Gonzalez
    Kyle Lotzkar
    Chris Heisey

    I like to make the young guys earn it.
    Last edited by Benihana; 08-08-2007 at 11:14 AM.
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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Position:
    1. Bruce
    2. Votto
    3. Francisco
    4. Valaika
    5. Mesoraco
    6. Frazier
    7. Dorn
    8. Soto
    9. Tatum
    10. Turner
    11. Heisey
    12. Stubbs
    13. Rosales
    14. Waring
    15. Reed
    16. M. Perez
    17. Parker
    18. McKennon
    19. K. Jones
    20. Cozart

    Starting Arms:
    1. Bailey
    1. Cueto
    3. Maloney
    4. Wood
    5. Fisher
    6. Watson
    7. Thompson
    8. Smit
    9. LeCure
    10.Lotzkar

    Relief:
    1. Roenicke
    2. McBeth
    3. Viola
    4. Guevara
    5. Rojas
    6. Ruzic

    COMBINED:
    1. Bruce
    2 .Bailey
    2. Cueto
    4. Votto
    5. Maloney
    6. Roenicke
    7. Wood
    8. Francisco
    9. Valaika
    10. Fisher
    11. Mesoraco
    12. Watson
    13. Frazier
    14. Dorn
    15. Soto
    16. Tatum
    17. Thompson
    18. Turner
    19. McBeth
    20. Heisey
    21. Smit
    22. Viola
    23. Stubbs
    24. Rosales
    25. Waring
    26. Reed
    27. LeCure
    28. Lotzkar
    29. Guevara
    30. M. Perez
    31. Parker
    32. Rojas
    33. Ruzic
    34. McKennon
    35. K. Jones
    36. Cozart

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    One quick question:

    Why is Bruce higher than Bailey on almost every list?

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by podgejeff_ View Post
    One quick question:

    Why is Bruce higher than Bailey on almost every list?
    Quick answer:
    Becuase he is better.

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Francisco at Dayton is getting a lot of notice on these lists. I listed him at 19. He has shown excellent power so far, only 20 years old. Couple of red flags though -- .741 OPS with low OBP of .302. 127 Ks and 21 walks. 22 errors.
    Last edited by Kc61; 08-08-2007 at 12:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Francisco at Dayton is getting a lot of notice on these lists. I listed him at 19. He has show excellent power so far, only 20 years old. Couple of red flags though -- .741 OPS with low OBP of .302. 127 Ks and 21 walks. 22 errors.
    He is also very young for that level. The 22 errors don't concern me in the least- he will not be a 3B at the major league level (or maybe even the AA level, for that matter). He'll end up either at 1B or the OF, or perhaps wherever Todd Frazier isn't. IMO he is a top 10 prospect in the system, due to his age/level and power display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Francisco at Dayton is getting a lot of notice on these lists. I listed him at 19. He has show excellent power so far, only 20 years old. Couple of red flags though -- .741 OPS with low OBP of .302. 127 Ks and 21 walks. 22 errors.
    His lack of walks is a big red flag. Errors, I am not so worried about. Goodluck finding any young third baseman that doesn't have a bunch of errors. His power will play anywhere that he plays though, if he were to switch positions. Another thing is, this is Juan's first full season he has ever played. I wonder how much the full season is taking a toll on him. I have seen a lot of players note how their first full season is the toughest becuase your body isn't in the right shape for it becuase you just are not used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    His lack of walks is a big red flag. Errors, I am not so worried about. Goodluck finding any young third baseman that doesn't have a bunch of errors. His power will play anywhere that he plays though, if he were to switch positions. Another thing is, this is Juan's first full season he has ever played. I wonder how much the full season is taking a toll on him. I have seen a lot of players note how their first full season is the toughest becuase your body isn't in the right shape for it becuase you just are not used to it.
    What's his playing time like, though? The last 4 Dragons games I've gone to Francisco hasn't started, Louwsma has. Maybe that's because all of the games I've gone to the opposition has started a LHP, but even still, that means Francisco is in a platoon and thus, shouldn't be wearing down in the 2nd half. I realize that being a LH hitter, you get the bulk of the playing time in platoons, but there seems to be an extraordinary amount of LH starters in the midwest league this year, or else I've just picked the wrong games to attend.
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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    1. Bruce
    2. Bailey
    3. Votto
    4. Cueto
    5. Wood
    6. Mesoraco
    7. Stubbs
    8. Watson
    9. Maloney
    10. Pelland
    11. Fisher
    12. Frazier
    13. McBeth
    14. Thompson
    15. Soto
    16. Roenicke
    17. Lotzkar
    18. Valaika
    19. Francisco
    20. Dorn

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    Re: My Top 20 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    His lack of walks is a big red flag.
    That's why didn't make my cut. My list factored potential into it a little bit for 1st or 2nd yr players but I go by numbers to see how they are really doing for guys that have been in the system.

    I know I rated the relievers a little high but those guys are putting up awesome numbers.

    Any reason why Viola isn't getting a lot of votes for top 20? I have only been following the minors for about 2 years so some of these guys I don't know what there potential is.


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