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    Re: Non-pitching propects ratings (categorized)

    I'm kidding of course.

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    Re: Non-pitching propects ratings (categorized)

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur View Post
    half the time there's college pitchers in short-seasons that are just out of the draft, so wouldn't you think they'd still be the ones a step above at that level ??
    In my response to Doug, I was basing it on most polished college pitchers being shipped out to Billings and most HS and less than 3-year college pitchers sent to GCL.

    I may be wrong, but I thought that's how it went.

    I'm thinking a stud 1st-rounder like Mesoraco may experience some growing pains against top notch HS pitchers and less than top notch college pitchers, but the by the time he hits Billings, he may have "caught up" to those same pitchers. Also, by that time, the refined college pitchers may have already been moved out of Rookie and into low or Hi A.

    Key, I see where you skipped Rookie ball alltogether and put up some rather solid numbers in Daytona (Hi A) in 2001. Very impressive. Had you been a 22-year old in this system back then, I promise you would have recieved a stellar grade on the Redszone. I'm thinking 4* at the time.

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    Re: Non-pitching propects ratings (categorized)

    Key, I hope you don't mind if I pick your brain. What do you think of Dickerson? Is he something we should value over, say a Hopper, as a 4th or 5th OFer?

    I'm thinking he is. Just wondering what you thought.

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    Re: Non-pitching propects ratings (categorized)

    I can no longer edit my original post, but I have added Phipps to the list. There are now 31 non-pitching prospects total. Thanks to Mario-Rijo and Redman15 for their input.


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    Rating - grouped by age:

    20 & under
    (5*) Bruce, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA .947 OPS
    (4*) Mesoraco, c...18, GCL-Rookie .617 OPS
    (4*) Soto, ss...18, GCL-Rookie .820 OPS
    (4*) Francisco, 3b/1b...20.2, Dayton (low A) .736 OPS
    (3*) Reed, of...19.9, GCL-Rookie .827 OPS (combined GCL, Billings)

    21-22
    (4*) Frazier, ss/3b...21.7, Billings (Rookie) .814 OPS
    (4*) Waring, 3b...21.8, Billings (Rookie) .911OPS
    (3*) Long, c...21.4, Billings (Rookie) .848 OPS
    (3*) K. Jones, of...21.11, Dayton (low A) .832 OPS (combined Dayton, Billings)
    (2*) Bartles, 2b...21.0, Billings (Rookie) .877 OPS

    22-23
    (4*) Valaika, 3b/2b...22.0, Sarasota (hi A) .664 OPS (.847 @ Dayton-low A)
    (4*) Stubbs, cf...22.11, Dayton (low A) .744 OPS
    (3*) Heisey, of...22.8, Sarasota (hi A) .932 OPS (.785 @ Dayton-low A)
    (4*) Turner, 2b...22.9, Dayton (low A) .809
    (3*) Cozart, ss...22.0, Dayton (low A) .628
    (2*) Menchaca, of...22.4, Billings (Rookie) .816 OPS
    (2*) McKennon, 1b...22.5, Billings (Rookie) .925 OPS
    (2*) Phipps, of...22.1, Dayton (low A) ..658 OPS
    (2*) Maunus, of...22.6, Billings (Rookie) .826 OPS

    23-24
    (5*) Votto, 1b...23.11, Louisville -AAA .853 OPS
    (4*) Dorn, of...23.1, Chattanooga-AA 1.066 OPS (.815 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Parker, 1b...23.1, Dayton (low A) .788 OPS
    (2*) Griffin, 2b/3b...23.10, Sarasota (hi A) .767 OPS

    24-25
    (3*) Tatum, c...24.5, Chattanooga-AA .701 OPS (.873 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Rosales, util, of...24.3, Chattanooga-AA .826 OPS (.881 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Janish, ss...24.10, Louisville -AAA .553 OPS (.688 OPS @ Chattanooga-AA)
    (2*) Anderson, 2b...24.6, Chattanooga-AA .707 OPS
    (2*) Szymanski, cf...24.10, Sarasota (hi A) .686 OPS
    (2*) Strait, of...24.4, Sarasota (hi A) .663 OPS
    (2*) DeJesus, 2b...24.1, Sarasota (hi A) .709 OPS

    25-26
    (3*) Dickerson, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA

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    Rating - grouped by team (level):

    Louisville-AAA
    (5*) Bruce, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA .947 OPS
    (5*) Votto, 1b...23.11, Louisville -AAA .853 OPS
    (3*) Dickerson, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA
    (3*) Janish, ss...24.10, Louisville -AAA .553 OPS (.688 OPS @ Chattanooga-AA)

    Chattanooga-AA
    (4*) Dorn, of...23.1, Chattanooga-AA 1.066 OPS (.815 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Tatum, c...24.5, Chattanooga-AA .701 OPS (.873 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Rosales, util, of...24.3, Chattanooga-AA .826 OPS (.881 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (2*) Anderson, 2b...24.6, Chattanooga-AA .707 OPS

    Sarasota-High A
    (4*) Valaika, 3b/2b...22.0, Sarasota (hi A) .664 OPS (.847 @ Dayton-low A)
    (3*) Heisey, of...22.8, Sarasota (hi A) .932 OPS (.785 @ Dayton-low A)
    (2*) Griffin, 2b/3b...23.10, Sarasota (hi A) .767 OPS
    (2*) Szymanski, cf...24.10, Sarasota (hi A) .686 OPS
    (2*) Strait, of...24.4, Sarasota (hi A) .663 OPS
    (2*) DeJesus, 2b...24.1, Sarasota (hi A) .709 OPS

    Dayton-Low A
    (4*) Francisco, 3b/1b...20.2, Dayton (low A) .736 OPS
    (4*) Stubbs, cf...22.11, Dayton (low A) .744 OPS
    (4*) Turner, 2b...22.9, Dayton (low A) .809
    (3*) Parker, 1b...23.1, Dayton (low A) .788 OPS
    (3*) Cozart, ss...22.0, Dayton (low A) .628
    (3*) K. Jones, of...21.11, Dayton (low A) .832 OPS (combined Dayton, Billings)
    (2*) Phipps, of...22.1, Dayton (low A) ..658 OPS

    Billings-Rookie
    (4*) Frazier, ss/3b...21.7, Billings (Rookie) .814 OPS
    (4*) Waring, 3b...21.8, Billings (Rookie) .911OPS
    (3*) Long, c...21.4, Billings (Rookie) .848 OPS
    (2*) Menchaca, of...22.4, Billings (Rookie) .816 OPS
    (2*) McKennon, 1b...22.5, Billings (Rookie) .925 OPS
    (2*) Maunus, of...22.6, Billings (Rookie) .826 OPS
    (2*) Bartles, 2b...21.0, Billings (Rookie) .877 OPS

    Sarasota-Rookie
    (4*) Mesoraco, c...18, GCL-Rookie .617 OPS
    (4*) Soto, ss...18, GCL-Rookie .820 OPS
    (3*) Reed, of...19.9, GCL-Rookie .827 OPS (combined GCL, Billings)

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    Rating - grouped by experience:

    Year 1 (drafted or signed in 2007)

    (4*) Mesoraco, c...18, GCL-Rookie .617 OPS
    (4*) Frazier, ss/3b...21.7, Billings (Rookie) .814 OPS
    (4*) Soto, ss...18, GCL-Rookie .820 OPS
    (4*) Waring, 3b...21.8, Billings (Rookie) .911OPS
    (3*) Cozart, ss...22.0, Dayton (low A) .628
    (2*) Bartles, 2b...21.0, Billings (Rookie) .877 OPS
    (2*) Menchaca, of...22.4, Billings (Rookie) .816 OPS
    (2*) Maunus, of...22.6, Billings (Rookie) .826 OPS


    Year 2 (drafted or signed in 2006)

    (4*) Francisco, 3b/1b...20.2, Dayton (low A) .736 OPS
    (4*) Valaika, 3b/2b...22.0, Sarasota (hi A) .664 OPS (.847 @ Dayton-low A)
    (4*) Dorn, of...23.1, Chattanooga-AA 1.066 OPS (.815 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (4*) Turner, 2b...22.9, Dayton (low A) .809
    (4*) Stubbs, cf...22.11, Dayton (low A) .744 OPS
    (3*) Heisey, of...22.8, Sarasota (hi A) .932 OPS (.785 @ Dayton-low A)
    (3*) Reed, of...19.9, GCL-Rookie .827 OPS (combined GCL, Billings)
    (3*) Parker, 1b...23.1, Dayton (low A) .788 OPS
    (3*) Long, c...21.4, Billings (Rookie) .848 OPS
    (3*) K. Jones, of...21.11, Dayton (low A) .832 OPS (combined Dayton, Billings)
    (2*) McKennon, 1b...22.5, Billings (Rookie) .925 OPS
    (2*) Phipps, of...22.1, Dayton (low A) ..658 OPS



    Year 3 (drafted or signed in 2005)

    (5*) Bruce, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA .947 OPS
    (3*) Rosales, util, of...24.3, Chattanooga-AA .826 OPS (.881 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (2*) Griffin, 2b/3b...23.10, Sarasota (hi A) .767 OPS
    (2*) DeJesus, 2b...24.1, Sarasota (hi A) .709 OPS



    Year 4 (drafted or signed in 2004)

    (3*) Tatum, c...24.5, Chattanooga-AA .701 OPS (.873 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Janish, ss...24.10, Louisville -AAA .553 OPS (.688 OPS @ Chattanooga-AA)
    (2*) Anderson, 2b...24.6, Chattanooga-AA .707 OPS
    (2*) Strait, of...24.4, Sarasota (hi A) .663 OPS
    (2*) Szymanski, cf...24.10, Sarasota (hi A) .686 OPS



    Year 5 (drafted or signed in 2003)

    (3*) Dickerson, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA



    Year 6 (drafted or signed in 2002)

    (5*) Votto, 1b...23.11, Louisville -AAA .853 OPS

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    Rated - grouped by position

    Catcher
    (4*) Mesoraco, c...18, GCL-Rookie .617 OPS
    (3*) Tatum, c...24.5, Chattanooga-AA .701 OPS (.873 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Long, c...21.4, Billings (Rookie) .848 OPS

    First Base
    (5*) Votto, 1b...23.11, Louisville -AAA .853 OPS
    (4*) Francisco, 3b/1b...20.2, Dayton (low A) .736 OPS
    (3*) Parker, 1b...23.1, Dayton (low A) .788 OPS
    (2*) McKennon, 1b...22.5, Billings (Rookie) .925 OPS

    Second Base
    (4*) Turner, 2b...22.9, Dayton (low A) .809
    (2*) Anderson, 2b...24.6, Chattanooga-AA .707 OPS
    (2*) Griffin, 2b/3b...23.10, Sarasota (hi A) .767 OPS
    (2*) DeJesus, 2b...24.1, Sarasota (hi A) .709 OPS
    (2*) Bartles, 2b...21.0, Billings (Rookie) .877 OPS

    Third Base
    (4*) Valaika, 3b/2b...22.0, Sarasota (hi A) .664 OPS (.847 @ Dayton-low A)
    (4*) Frazier, ss/3b...21.7, Billings (Rookie) .814 OPS
    (4*) Waring, 3b...21.8, Billings (Rookie) .911OPS

    Shortstop
    (4*) Soto, ss...18, GCL-Rookie .820 OPS
    (3*) Janish, ss...24.10, Louisville -AAA .553 OPS (.688 OPS @ Chattanooga-AA)
    (3*) Cozart, ss...22.0, Dayton (low A) .628

    Outfield
    (5*) Bruce, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA .947 OPS
    (4*) Stubbs, cf...22.11, Dayton (low A) .744 OPS
    (4*) Dorn, of...23.1, Chattanooga-AA 1.066 OPS (.815 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Dickerson, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA
    (3*) Heisey, of...22.8, Sarasota (hi A) .932 OPS (.785 @ Dayton-low A)
    (3*) Reed, of...19.9, GCL-Rookie .827 OPS (combined GCL, Billings)
    (3*) K. Jones, of...21.11, Dayton (low A) .832 OPS (combined Dayton, Billings)
    (2*) Szymanski, cf...24.10, Sarasota (hi A) .686 OPS
    (2*) Strait, of...24.4, Sarasota (hi A) .663 OPS
    (2*) Menchaca, of...22.4, Billings (Rookie) .816 OPS
    (2*) Phipps, of...22.1, Dayton (low A) ..658 OPS
    (2*) Maunus, of...22.6, Billings (Rookie) .826 OPS

    Utility
    (3*) Rosales, util, of...24.3, Chattanooga-AA .826 OPS (.881 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)

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    Rated - Total

    (5*) Bruce, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA .947 OPS
    (5*) Votto, 1b...23.11, Louisville -AAA .853 OPS

    (4*) Valaika, 3b/2b...22.0, Sarasota (hi A) .664 OPS (.847 @ Dayton-low A)
    (4*) Francisco, 3b/1b...20.2, Dayton (low A) .736 OPS
    (4*) Mesoraco, c...18, GCL-Rookie .617 OPS
    (4*) Frazier, ss/3b...21.7, Billings (Rookie) .814 OPS
    (4*) Stubbs, cf...22.11, Dayton (low A) .744 OPS
    (4*) Dorn, of...23.1, Chattanooga-AA 1.066 OPS (.815 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (4*) Turner, 2b...22.9, Dayton (low A) .809
    (4*) Soto, ss...18, GCL-Rookie .820 OPS
    (4*) Waring, 3b...21.8, Billings (Rookie) .911OPS

    (3*) Heisey, of...22.8, Sarasota (hi A) .932 OPS (.785 @ Dayton-low A)
    (3*) Tatum, c...24.5, Chattanooga-AA .701 OPS (.873 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Dickerson, of...20.4, Louisville -AAA
    (3*) Reed, of...19.9, GCL-Rookie .827 OPS (combined GCL, Billings)
    (3*) Rosales, util, of...24.3, Chattanooga-AA .826 OPS (.881 OPS @ Sarasota-hi A)
    (3*) Janish, ss...24.10, Louisville -AAA .553 OPS (.688 OPS @ Chattanooga-AA)
    (3*) Parker, 1b...23.1, Dayton (low A) .788 OPS
    (3*) Cozart, ss...22.0, Dayton (low A) .628
    (3*) Long, c...21.4, Billings (Rookie) .848 OPS
    (3*) K. Jones, of...21.11, Dayton (low A) .832 OPS (combined Dayton, Billings)

    (2*) Anderson, 2b...24.6, Chattanooga-AA .707 OPS
    (2*) Griffin, 2b/3b...23.10, Sarasota (hi A) .767 OPS
    (2*) Szymanski, cf...24.10, Sarasota (hi A) .686 OPS
    (2*) Strait, of...24.4, Sarasota (hi A) .663 OPS
    (2*) McKennon, 1b...22.5, Billings (Rookie) .925 OPS
    (2*) Bartles, 2b...21.0, Billings (Rookie) .877 OPS
    (2*) Menchaca, of...22.4, Billings (Rookie) .816 OPS
    (2*) DeJesus, 2b...24.1, Sarasota (hi A) .709 OPS
    (2*) Phipps, of...22.1, Dayton (low A) ..658 OPS
    (2*) Maunus, of...22.6, Billings (Rookie) .826 OPS

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