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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    Is...is he advocating playing Hopper over Dunn?

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    He's getting there.

    The Reds' future, should they choose to accept it, showed itself some Thursday. Norris Hopper doesn't get on base enough to lead off, but he had three hits and runs like the wind. Batting behind him, Jeff Keppinger showed he could control the bat. The pair rattled Dodgers reliever Joe Beimel sufficiently, he balked home Hopper in the seventh, to give the Reds a 4-3 lead. Phil Dumatrait survived a wobbly start to pitch six credible innings.

    This is how you win games consistently. Not with lots of home runs. Credit Hopper and Keppinger with covering lots of ground in center and left field, too.
    No Paul, relying on things like that is how you lose games consistently and win games occasionally. You win games consistently by getting on base and getting extra base hits on offense and preventing the opposition from doing the same.

    Guys who've taken the audition and need to sit some or be traded: Stanton, Santos, Adam Dunn, Jeff Conine and Scott Hatteberg.

    Guys who need to play: Hopper, Keppinger, Coutlangus, Dumatrait, Bobby Livingston and Votto
    Who does Hopper play over? How about Kepp? Couter should be here over Stanton, no doubt. Votto should be here as Hatteberg and Conine get traded. Bobby Livington and Phil Dumatrait are simply younger versions of Santos. They should be here in his stead because they're cheaper -- not because they're any better. And Dunn..... forget it. Still clueless.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-10-2007 at 08:19 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    Quote Originally Posted by pahster View Post
    Is...is he advocating playing Hopper over Dunn?
    Don't know; but this, from the article stood out to me...

    Guys who've taken the audition and need to sit some or be traded: Stanton, Santos, Adam Dunn, Jeff Conine and Scott Hatteberg.
    It's easy for PD to make statements like this - in reference to trading them - he's not the one having to try and find the right deal and work that trade. What would he do if the return being offered is pretty dismal, or teams don't want guys like Stanton, Santos, or Conine?
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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    Good for him...glad someone had the testicular fortitude to say something.

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    I prefer to think that the private face of the club isn't saying "We're close." The public face says that to sell tickets. If the public face were to say "We'll get 'em next year," the average fan would reply "We'll see you next year."

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    Guys who've taken the audition and need to sit some or be traded: Stanton, Santos, Adam Dunn, Jeff Conine and Scott Hatteberg.
    Ah yes, the logic with trading your consistent #1 or #2 in runs created every year, who is as old as time itself at age 27 to play a Norris Hopper. That right there folks is quality baseball writing. Votto should be called up to play 1st and Keppinger should get sufficient time wherever they can find room for him, as long as it isn't at the expense of Encarnacion.

    If this was 60 years ago, I would fear for Dunn literally being ran out of town on a rail.

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    It's mind boggling that he can believe Dunn is something to just be discarded. I think Hopper and Keppinger are valuable pieces on this team; fabulous players to have on your bench, but they're not going to have the impact Adam Dunn can have. This place has become so dysfunctional.

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    I find it funny that he says Hopper doesn't get on base enough to bat leadoff, almost as if he understands OBP is a very good thing.... then says Dunn needs to go, which I don't exactly have a problem with given the right circumstances, but he frames it around Hopper needing to play.

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    Dunn is 27

    Hopper is 28


    Just sayin'

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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    the reason it hurts is because it is light years from the truth.
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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    1997 - 2007

    Norris Hopper and John Nunnley

    Chris Stynes and Jeff Keppinger

    Ray Knight and Jerry Narron

    Jack McKeon and Pete McCackin

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    What an incredible piece of horsecrap that column was. Is the broadcast and print media in cincinnati made up of nothing but morons?
    Adam Dunn is not a perfect player, and I expect he will decline rapidly once he gets into his thirties, but the idea that the key to winning is to discard him and play Hopper is so stupid that I am at a loss for words. How stupid can you be and still get paid to write such garbage?
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    Re: "We're close" thinking is hurting this team...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    How stupid can you be and still get paid to write such garbage?
    ask Marty
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