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    Griffey Upset

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    Griffey says that was last time he gets replaced

    CHICAGO -- If Cincinnati Reds slugger Ken Griffey Jr. has his way, he won't be involved in another double switch.

    Griffey was replaced on defense during a double switch in the eighth inning of Tuesday's 6-5 win over the Chicago Cubs. Griffey, who has won 10 Gold Gloves, was surprised by Reds interim manager Pete Mackanin's decision.

    "It was the first [time in my career] and it will be the last," he said before Wednesday's game against the Cubs.

    Griffey, who ranks sixth on the career list with 590 career home runs, is hitting .274 with 27 home runs and 74 RBIs.
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    Re: Griffey Upset

    It's not the last time he's replaced if that manager decides it's not.


    Don't start with the prima donna stuff, Griffey. You may be upset, that's fine...but it's not your call.

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    I was dumbfounded when it happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30 View Post
    I was dumbfounded when it happened.
    I was a thrown off, but that's not the point....whether we agree with it or not, it's the manager's decision and not the player's

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    These are issues that should be settled in close doors with the manager... and not with the media who loves stuff like this.

    But what is Jr gonna do if he does it again? Demand a trade? Or is he gonna give us a Larkin speech about how it's all about respect?
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    We on RedsZone are very frustrated nightly with this team. I can only imagine what some players are feeling like after a long season. I am sure this was JR's breaking point. I do agree that their is a place to air these feelings and the media is not the proper forum. Jr is the 2nd Red who has been upset with one of Mack's defensive substitutions, I'm sure he won't be the last.
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    But was Mack wrong to do it? Why? Because he was dealing with a 10 time GGer and R-E-S-P-E-C-T is the foremost issue and not trying to strengthen your team defensively while holding on to a tenuous 1 run lead late in the game?

    I'm not gonna fault a manager in these particular situations - his job is to win the game, not kiss the butt (coddle the ego) of veteran players.

    This, IMHO, is just simply more of Jr, like he did last year when approached with moving from CF, being in denial about his declining defensive abilities.
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    No need for the drama. Keep it in house, Jr.

    "It was the first [time in my career] and it will be the last,"
    This is the worst part. What's with the ultimatum? Sorry, because I have a lot of respect for this guy, but that's BS. Plain and simple.

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    Griffey doesn't want to start the media spatting....he can't win that fight. He, of all people, should know that.
    Last edited by Matt700wlw; 08-15-2007 at 09:35 PM.

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    That's one of the main reasons this team is awful. Because the team's leadership makes comments like that. I love Griffey, Jr. to death, but that's an immature comment from a Hall of Famer, he should have known better. The leadership void on this team is startling.

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    Re: Griffey Upset

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30 View Post
    I was dumbfounded when it happened.
    I expected it with Jr making the last out and Weathers coming in in the 8th.

    Jr, quit being a jerk, it made sense at the time.
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    Re: Griffey Upset

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    I'm not gonna fault a manager in these particular situations - his job is to win the game, not kiss the butt (coddle the ego) of veteran players.
    Managing people is just as big a part of the job as managing games.

    Maybe Mack figures he's not going to get the permanent job and it doesn't matter if he ticks off the team's best players. Maybe they're trying to send a message by treating him as a disposable part for the sake of winning a meaningless game. Or maybe they're trying to make Junior mad enough that he'll waive 10/5 to go anywhere. I don't know. I agree that Griffey should have kept it behind closed doors. (Then again, maybe he did but didn't like the answer he got. Still should have kept it to himself.)
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    Re: Griffey Upset

    The point behind making the double switch was to move David Weathers' spot in the order as far from actually coming to the plate as possible. The last thing the Reds wanted was for Weathers (in the #9 spot) to come up in the top of the ninth in a situation where the Reds could score some more runs. The last player to bat in the top of the eighth (and therefore the most likely candidate to be double-switched) was Brandon Phillips, but the Reds didn't have a backup infielder last night. That left Griffey as the next-to-last spot. So he was the "lucky" player who got switched out. The Reds couldn't switch out Keppinger (one spot ahead of Griffey) for the same reason they couldn't switch out Phillips. Taking Hamilton out in the double switch would only gain one position in the batting order for Weathers, so that wouldn't make much sense, either.

    Griffey's feelings might be hurt, but he needs to understand that it was a strategic move, and nothing personal.
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    And then I wonder... would Junior have gotten back in time to make the catch for the last out at the base of the wall in RF? Or does the ball hit the wall for a double and a tie score?

    Just crossed my mind. No offense to Junior and his defense or speed.
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    Mackanin continues to impress me. (and that is not sarcasm or a slam of Griffey)
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