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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    August 11, 1994:
    Central Division
    1st Cincinnati Reds 66 48 .579 --
    2nd Houston Astros 66 49 .574 0.5
    3rd Pittsburgh Pirates 53 61 .465 13.0
    3rd St. Louis Cardinals 53 61 .465 13.0
    5th Chicago Cubs 49 64 .434 16.5
    The Reds may have won it all that year....at least I can think so anyway

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Scoff if you want, he's the best commissioner ever in terms of growing the game.

    Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.

    Revenue sharing has started in a limited forms under him which somewhere down the line will bring a more economic balance to the game.

    Labor harmony is at its longest running period under his watch.

    Bud is a good commissioner.

    He's a dork, but he's good. He has a terrible hair piece, but he's good. He comes across as inept, but he's good.

    Appreciate what he's done for the game, don't damn him to hell for what the players did, or 1994 or the All-star game.
    I kind of agree with this, much as it pains me. Interleague play has been played out at this point, but the wild card remains a fantastically exciting addition to the game. And as far as the strike goes, I think there are two points to keep in mind in terms of balance: a) It's naive to chalk the whole thing up to one man, even the man in charge, and b) bad as some of the strike's ramifications were, the sport may well have ended up in a much worse place than it is today if it hadn't happened.

    He is a huge dork though. I vote for someone sassier next time.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

    Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.
    Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.
    I like it...it give more teams a chance. Maybe that's why you don't like it...lets the "not as good" teams in. I can understand that.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    I kind of agree with this, much as it pains me. Interleague play has been played out at this point, but the wild card remains a fantastically exciting addition to the game. And as far as the strike goes, I think there are two points to keep in mind in terms of balance: a) It's naive to chalk the whole thing up to one man, even the man in charge, and b) bad as some of the strike's ramifications were, the sport may well have ended up in a much worse place than it is today if it hadn't happened.

    He is a huge dork though. I vote for someone sassier next time.
    You and Joseph are being way too rational. First place a third of the way into August. You all need to focus more on emotional responses, particularly when, as far as we know now, that could have been the Reds "goat moment".


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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    The wild card drags out October baseball more than I'd like, but it has completely revitalized September baseball. In the past, with four divisions, there were some great races some years, and there were also many years where a team or more ran away with a division and made September baseball boring and irrelevant for a lot of teams. Even the Reds can be relevant in September by messing things up for another team.

    And there's also the very interesting case of a wild card ultimately winning the World Series. It's happened several times, and that's just fun.

    edit: Yeah ochre...I've just tried to bury the pain
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    The Guy who stole the Pilots from Seattle whilst he was suing MLB would be a good starting point.

    How he became Commissioner with that on his resume continues to befuddle me today.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Steroids.
    Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    I think he was the ring-leader for getting Marge out of baseball.
    Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.
    I agree.
    "Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    I think he was the ring-leader for getting Marge out of baseball.
    Her partners would have done it eventually.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    I like it...it give more teams a chance. Maybe that's why you don't like it...lets the "not as good" teams in. I can understand that.
    It's that and it also convinces awful teams they still have a "shot" year after year.

    Not to say all the wild card winners have been bad.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    The revenue growth would have happened if Jerry Narron was commissioner. Bud has done more to stop the growth of baseball, all in the name of a fast buck now, than anyone. He's allowed the owners to make decisions for the short term rather than the long term which has hurt the game.

    As an example, how many kids get to see at least 3 or more innings of a world series game? They don't usually start till at least 8:30 p.m. I for one can't wait for Bud to leave...of course the owners will probably pick Tom Hicks to replace him...

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    The revenue growth would have happened if Jerry Narron was commissioner.
    Doesn't matter. Bud was at the helm and decisions were made under his watch that he made his bosses richer. Whether it was other people's whispered counsel, lucky coin flips or business savvy that led to those decisions, Bud gets the credit.

    I fully expect Bud to write a book that makes it clear that the important calls were his calls. It will have some self-deprecation and mild second-guessing, but the clear intent of the book will be to burnish his legacy.

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    Re: What will be Bud Selig's legacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Steroids.
    The very first think which popped into my mind when I thought of Selig. I have a feeling his attempts to sweep the steroids problems under the rugs will be his legacy. It practically took an act of Congress to make him take notice.


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