Reds 40 man roster and next year's Rule 5 draft

[Stingray]

What's the current status of the Reds 40 man roster and minor leaguers who should be protected?

[mth123]

What's the current status of the Reds 40 man roster and minor leaguers who should be protected?

I hope I have this right. Please correct me if necessary.

Assuming the guys on 60 day Dl are all added and that Milton is removed since he's a free agent. They stand at 34 (I had Guardado at #7 and blanked him out.):

	On 40 Man
1	Harang
2	Arroyo
3	Belisle
4	Bailey
5	Livingston
6	Smit
7	
8	Weathers
9	Burton
10	McBeth
11	Salmon
12	Bray
13	Majewski
14	Stanton
15	Coffey
16	Coutlangus

17	Ross
18	Valentin
19	Hanigan

20	Votto
21	Hatteberg
22	Cantu
23	Phillips
24	Gonzalez
25	Keppinger
26	Encarnacion
27	Ju Castro
28	Gil

29	Dunn
30	Griffey
31	Hamilton
32	Hopper
33	Freel
34	Coats
35	Dickerson

The list of minor league players who have to be added is pretty thin since a number of guys were named 6 year free agents:

Need Added
IF Luis Bolivar
SP Richie Gardner
RP Carlos Guevara
1B Tonys Gutierrez
RP Justin Mallett
RP Thomas Pauly
RP Ty Pelland
RP Ramon Ramirez
SP Camilio Vazquez

I see Pelland as the only lock. Ramirez and Guevara could be possible and that would still leave a couple slots open for draftees. Hopefully they sign an upgrade or two.

[dougdirt]

The Reds have to make it a priority to sign Asadoorian and Miguel Perez back out of the guys they had that were free agents. If so, they need to protect them as well.

[mth123]

The Reds have to make it a priority to sign Asadoorian and Miguel Perez back out of the guys they had that were free agents. If so, they need to protect them as well.

I'd probably try to sign Perez, but Asadoorian would just be on a minor league deal IMO. There are better 6 year free agent relievers if the team wants to sign one and use up a 40 man spot (Francisco Cruceta, Franklyn German, Steve Shell, Dan Giese). I think they should sign Asadoorian but not put him on the 40 man. I can't see him sticking in the majors in 2008.

[gedred69]

If Bruce, Cueto or anybody else that doesn't have to be protected yet, makes the great leap this season, they will have to be added, eh?

[mth123]

If Bruce, Cueto or anybody else that doesn't have to be protected yet, makes the great leap this season, they will have to be added, eh?

Yes, but not until the end of spring training and long after the rule 5 draft which is what really matters at this point.

[dougdirt]

I'd probably try to sign Perez, but Asadoorian would just be on a minor league deal IMO. There are better 6 year free agent relievers if the team wants to sign one and use up a 40 man spot (Francisco Cruceta, Franklyn German, Steve Shell, Dan Giese). I think they should sign Asadoorian but not put him on the 40 man. I can't see him sticking in the majors in 2008.

If we sign and don't protect Asadoorian, he will be gone. Guys who throw mid 90s don't grow on trees, much less guys who have success in AA in their first year as a pitcher. Someone will take a chance on him if he is available.

[mth123]

If we sign and don't protect Asadoorian, he will be gone. Guys who throw mid 90s don't grow on trees, much less guys who have success in AA in their first year as a pitcher. Someone will take a chance on him if he is available.

You could be right if he throws that hard. Does he really throw mid 90s? Can he actually pitch at that speed or does he throw that hard with no idea of where its going and actually pitches with less velocity? I always though he was in the 91 to 92 range.

[icehole3]

I can agree with that, I want every 90 plus flamethrower that we can get.

[dougdirt]

You could be right if he throws that hard. Does he really throw mid 90s? Can he actually pitch at that speed or does he throw that hard with no idea of where its going and actually pitches with less velocity? I always though he was in the 91 to 92 range.

Last year when he pitched every now and again he was hitting 94-95 regularly. Regardless, if he is left unprotected by whoever signs him, he will be taken in the rule V draft by someone. Count on it.

[camisadelgolf]

Need Added
IF Luis Bolivar
SP Richie Gardner
RP Carlos Guevara
1B Tonys Gutierrez
RP Justin Mallett
RP Thomas Pauly
RP Ty Pelland
RP Ramon Ramirez
SP Camilio Vazquez[/code]

13 Reds minor leaguers filed for free agency, so here are the remaining Reds players who could be exposed to the rule five draft:
C Chris Kroski
1B Tonys Gutierrez
IF Luis Bolivar
OF Shaun Cumberland
OF Josh Holden
OF Gerardo Cabrera?
SP Camilo Vazquez
SP Richie Gardner
RP Ramon Ramirez
RP Tyler Pelland
RP Carlos Guevara
RP Tom Pauly
RP Justin Mallett

Gerardo Cabrera was drafted by the White Sox in 2003, but I don't know if he were under contract for 2004. If he weren't, he's not eligible. His value is mostly as an interpretor, so I wouldn't be too worried about it.
Personally, I'd add Pelland, Guevara, and even Ramirez. I wouldn't add Tom Pauly, but if I were another team, I might draft him depending on how well he has recovered from his injuries.

[mth123]

I think you have a better list. I was focusing on the pitchers and forgot to go back and check on guys like Cumberland and Holden. I don't think Gardner is a free agent unless he was released. I don't see him on the list.

[camisadelgolf]

I think you have a better list. I was focusing on the pitchers and forgot to go back and check on guys like Cumberland and Holden. I don't think Gardner is a free agent unless he was released. I don't see him on the list.

I don't see him either. I don't know why I thought he did. Maybe I just thought it would be better for him, personally, to move on. I edited my previous post, so thank you.

[HokieRed]

Need to protect Asadoorian, Perez, if resigned, Elizardo, if resigned, and Pelland. Those are the guys other teams will take for sure. Guevara is a harder call. The guy's put up very good numbers yet there is just no organizational enthusiasm for him. His stuff is just not seen as projectable, maybe rightly, maybe not. I could see somebody taking a real flyer on Ramon Ramirez but I doubt he's far enough along to stick on a 25 man roster. I suspect the Reds will take a chance on exposing him.