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    The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Basically when your record is 53-68, being 9 back on Aug 18th means your division sucks.

    With 40 games left in the season, being 9 back is pretty much like Evel Knievel revving up his skycycle as it faces the ramp overlooking the snake river canyon... we might buy tickets to watch but really the potential for a miracle is much more illusion than reality. There's a reason an ambulance is standing by....

    I want to believe. I do. I really do (as I suspect a lot of fellow Zoners do too).

    Can you convince the cynics among us that we're way too down on the Reds? If so, this thread is for you....
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Three names: Adam Wainwright, Joel Pineiro, and Dave Duncan.

    That's why the Reds ain't winnin' zip.

    Adam Wainwright, outside of Peavy and Webb, has been the NL's best starter over the last 2 1/2 or 3 months. He's absolutely smashed his competition. He should be plenty enough--with one more Pujols hot streak--to vault the Cards into the postseason.

    And really, outside of San Diego's, St Louis's bullpen is outstanding.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    And really, outside of San Diego's, St Louis's bullpen is outstanding.
    Starring Ryan Franklin, AKA Redszone whipping boy. Go figure.
    "The players make the manager, it's never the other way." - Sparky Anderson

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    Starring Ryan Franklin, AKA Redszone whipping boy. Go figure.
    The magic that is Dave Duncan.

    I don't know how he does it, but he does it.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    Go figure.
    Hint: it begins with a "D" and ends with an "ave Duncan."

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Three names: Adam Wainwright, Joel Pineiro, and Dave Duncan.

    That's why the Reds ain't winnin' zip.

    Adam Wainwright, outside of Peavy and Webb, has been the NL's best starter over the last 2 1/2 or 3 months. He's absolutely smashed his competition. He should be plenty enough--with one more Pujols hot streak--to vault the Cards into the postseason.

    And really, outside of San Diego's, St Louis's bullpen is outstanding.
    Hey...this thread is supposed to be for convincing us to believe...

    We're not off to a good start.

    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Hey...this thread is supposed to be for convincing us to believe...

    We're not off to a good start.

    The alpha dog still guards the trophy.

    The Reds could be up 10 to 1 in the ninth inning of the game that would clench the division title, and they'd blow it--they lack the killer instinct. (And a bullpen).

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The Reds could be up 10 to 1 in the ninth inning of the game that would clench the division title, and they'd blow it--they lack the killer instinct. (And a bullpen).

    Funny, as bad as that bullepn has been, we've won every game we've led into the 9th inning for over a year.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Funny, as bad as that bullepn has been, we've won every game we've led into the 9th inning for over a year.
    All the more reason to believe they'd choke it away.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Funny, as bad as that bullepn has been, we've won every game we've led into the 9th inning for over a year.
    And you know what else? Throughout their history, the Reds have won 100% of the games in which they lead after nine innings.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Three names: Adam Wainwright, Joel Pineiro, and Dave Duncan.

    That's why the Reds ain't winnin' zip.

    Adam Wainwright, outside of Peavy and Webb, has been the NL's best starter over the last 2 1/2 or 3 months. He's absolutely smashed his competition. He should be plenty enough--with one more Pujols hot streak--to vault the Cards into the postseason.

    And really, outside of San Diego's, St Louis's bullpen is outstanding.

    Harang has been much better than Wainwright over the last 2.5 months, as has Zambrano,Hudson,Penny,Oswalt,Lowry,Hamels etc.

    Wainwright is pitching good since June 1, but he simply isn't as dominate as the others.

    Wainwright is 7-5 with an ERA of about 3 since June 1.

    Nice, but not close to being in the top group.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Harang has been much better than Wainwright over the last 2.5 months, as has Zambrano,Hudson,Penny,Oswalt,Lowry,Hamels etc.

    Wainwright is pitching good since June 1, but he simply isn't as dominate as the others.

    Wainwright is 7-5 with an ERA of about 3 since June 1.

    Nice, but not close to being in the top group.
    But he's a Cardinal...that trumps everything

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    But he's a Cardinal...that trumps everything

    And Pineiro?

    I was speechless on that one.

    He's followed up a rough debut with 2 good outings. A liitle early to be giving him the Cy Young Award.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    And Pineiro?

    I was speechless on that one.

    He's followed up a rough debut with 2 good outings. A liitle early to be giving him the Cy Young Award.
    I lterally fell out of my chair laughing when I heard that Wainwright and Pineiro were the reasons why the Reds weren't winning anything this year. I sort of hope Jocketty and LaRussa come to the Reds this offseason just so we no longer have to listen to the Cardinals praise on this board.

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    Re: The Meaning of being 9 back on Aug 18....

    What does 9 back mean? Not much. It means the Reds aren't "out of it" and because of that, the young guys (like Votto) are going to stay put, at least until September...even then, they might if they're not going to get playing time...since the Reds may still be "in it"


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