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    Votto Deserves Call...

    Yes I know.. we have all discussed this in some thread or another. Has anyone seen what he's done in August?

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    .313 7 HR's (6 in his last 7 games) 23 RBI's (20 in his last 10 games) 13 Runs (11 in last 10 games) .351 OBP .672 SLG 1.023 OPS

    Votto is most likely going to be in the running for MVP as well as he should. He was selected to the Futures Game and AAA All-Star Game this season. I believe it is time to get a look at this young slugging 1st baseman now rather than in September. The more time you have to evaluate him at the big league level the better so you know what step to take in the offseason. Reds are heading home for a series against Atlanta a team that is offensively stacked. We face a rotation of Hudson (14-5 3.02), James (9-9 4.22), Cormier (0-3 9.90), Carlyle (7-5 4.66). When you go up against a team with offense and pitching.. why not have some fire power of your own and make things interesting. Especially in front of your home town crowd. The Reds are not winning the Division.. which would be easier then winning the Wild Card so why not sell some tickets by bringing up a much touted prospect.

    I know some of you are thinking.. well wear will he play with Hatteberg and Conine still platooning 1st base. Conine has cleared waivers and could be dealt anytime.. if it doesn't happen then DFA Mark Bellhorn and call up Joey Votto. If Conine is dealt then Votto takes over the starting roll of 1st. If they are not able to deal Conine then Conine moves to the bench and getting some time at 1st/OF. Hatteberg becomes the back up to Votto who still would start at 1st upon the call up. Hopper will fill in at 2nd if needed.

    All in all.. what does Votto have to prove in AAA (.303 21 HR 87 RBI .391 OBP .495 SLG .887 OPS)?
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    IMO, he should have been brought up in July. He hasn't had anything to prove in AAA since then if not longer back than that. The Reds need to see if he can cut it at the MLB level so as to see if he is to be counted on next season.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    I don't see much of a point to bring him up with Hatteberg still around, unless you are going to bench Hat. If he's going to play everybody, then by all means. But bringing him up before the minor league season ends just to get him 4-5 AB a week is counter productive. Having him start against lefties, in Conine's place, would be pretty stupid too.

    Bring him up for his September cup of coffee and trade Hatteberg over the winter to clear room.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Bring him up for his September cup of coffee and trade Hatteberg over the winter to clear room.
    Hatty will be a free agent if the Reds don't pick up his option. Hatty has only minimal trade value anyway.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    Hatty will be a free agent if the Reds don't pick up his option. Hatty has only minimal trade value anyway.
    Hat's option is only $1.85 mm. Cheap if you ask me. REDS will pick it up and THEN perhaps try to trade him. That could get tricky.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    He'll be up in Sept. We aren't out of it yet and Hate has been playing so well.
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    Votto is only 23. I'd let him finish the AAA season and give him a September call up. Everybody has wanted to cut short his AAA year, but I see a lot of progress. He has started to hit for more power now and is obviously more comfortable with pitching at that level. He has also learned to play another position which helps with flexibility. I think it has made good sense for him to be at Louisville this year.

    I don't know how he fits in next year. Depends on Dunn and Hatteberg, are they around in 2008, and if so what is Hatte's role. But there's no need to bring him up right now, unless an injury opens up playing time.

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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1 View Post
    We aren't out of it yet
    thanks Lloyd
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    C'mon flyer. You know all the Reds need is a 12 game winning streak and they will be right in the thick of things.

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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    There are some icons I could do away with. Or maybe just the people using them.

    On the Votto point. I think it's almost a given that he will be brought up in September and given a shot. He's done nothing but impress.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1 View Post
    He'll be up in Sept. We aren't out of it yet and Hate has been playing so well.
    We are not out of it? So right their you are saying Votto can't help us win now but rather in 17 games (Basing call-ups are going to be on September 6th the Reds first off day after the Bats season) when the Reds might be out of it? What if when the Bats season ends and the Reds are instead of 9.5 games out of it they are 6 games out of it? Do the Reds make any call ups?

    The thing is with Conine and Hatteberg both taking up time at first we think Votto can't get the at bats. Both Conine and Hatteberg don't have the power of Votto and with this team power outweighs pitching. Votto can play 1st and somewhat of LF. Conine can play 1st and RF/LF. Hatteberg would be a primary 1st baseman but at a limited roll. You want to give at bats to Conine who won't be here next season? Hatteberg has done great.. but I think he would gladly move over to let Votto grow.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    C'mon flyer. You know all the Reds need is a 12 game winning streak and they will be right in the thick of things.
    ... and Votto would be a likely asset in pulling off the most improbable run to the playoffs in baseball history.
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    On the Votto point. I think it's almost a given that he will be brought up in September and given a shot. He's done nothing but impress.
    I'd like to agree with you here but I'm not sure I see it. If the Reds really feel they are "in it", Votto doesn't get a real shot in September. He may get called up to bolster the bench but he won't get much more than the occasional pinch-hitting appearance.

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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Votto is only 23. I'd let him finish the AAA season and give him a September call up. Everybody has wanted to cut short his AAA year, but I see a lot of progress. He has started to hit for more power now and is obviously more comfortable with pitching at that level. He has also learned to play another position which helps with flexibility. I think it has made good sense for him to be at Louisville this year.

    I don't know how he fits in next year. Depends on Dunn and Hatteberg, are they around in 2008, and if so what is Hatte's role. But there's no need to bring him up right now, unless an injury opens up playing time.
    But I see teams who are in contention calling up younger prospects like Justin Upton (19/Arizona), Cameron Maybin (20/Tigers), Lastings Milledge (22/Mets), and Asdrubal Cabrera (22/Indians)
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    Re: Votto Deserves Call...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    But I see teams who are in contention calling up younger prospects like Justin Upton (19/Arizona), Cameron Maybin (20/Tigers), Lastings Milledge (22/Mets), and Asdrubal Cabrera (22/Indians)
    Well, I know for example that the Tigers and Mets had outfield needs that caused them to call up Maybin/Milledge. As I said, if the Reds have an injury that opens up playing time for Votto, I'd bring him up. Absent that, I wouldn't.

    September will give Votto a chance to see major league ball, get some at bats, and get his feet wet.


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