Cueto has three 115+ games (119, 115, 120) and six 110+ games. Volquez only has one 115+ pitch game (118) but has nine 110+ pitch games.
Cueto has three 115+ games (119, 115, 120) and six 110+ games. Volquez only has one 115+ pitch game (118) but has nine 110+ pitch games.
This is a potential problem, in my estimation. He needs to be lifted pre-100 pitches occasionally, and given extra days here and there between now and the end of the season. Then keep him out of winter ball. Remember, he threw 30 innings in the Dominican last winter.Cueto has three 115+ games (119, 115, 120) and six 110+ games.
FWIW
2008 Pitcher Abuse Points (free content from BP)
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st...php?cid=204015
11. Peavy
17. J. Santana
23. Cueto
24. Harang
32. Volquez
35. Arroyo
72. Webb
Brandon Webb is having an outstanding year, Cy Young quality, and is making it seem nearly effortless.
I think Dusty is doing OK, except for that extra-inning game...
Arroyo and Harang are both much further down this list than they have been in the past.
sorry we're boring
Cyclone, great follow up. I think it's very instructional in terms of understanding that long term impact. You don't take the guy out after 115 pitches because he's going to get hurt today or miss his next start. You do it because those extra long outings have a cumulative effect which will catch up to you eventually. And when it does, you're going to wish you had been more judicious.
The reaper is coming -- and high pitch counts accelerate his approach.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-18-2008 at 12:07 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
You're right, and that could very well be the case.
The best pitchers are usually near the top of the abuse list, primarily because they pitch the most. Brandon Webb is a huge exception, this year.
I've been critical of that Pitchers Abuse Points (mainly for calling it "abuse") list in the past, but it does provide a lot of useful information.
sorry we're boring
Having a good bullpen and starters who are economical with their pitch counts also help the situation.
I've generally been satisfied with Dusty's handling of Volquez; I remember that 118-pitch outing and didn't particularly like it, but if that's the worst mark thus far this season then it hasn't been too bad. Those high pitch Cueto starts had me a bit frustrated, though, especially due to Cueto's age and the workload he'll likely see this season barring an injury.
I hope the Reds can treat those two (and anybody else that's promising) with a mindset of ensuring they're not only healthy now, but likely healthy in 2009, 2010, and beyond. The last thing we need is to get excited for a possible run in 2010, then have our hopes slashed with key cogs in the rotation going down to injury and/or ineffectiveness ala Harang and Arroyo this season.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
How about CC Sebathia? Dude made like 130 pitches last night. He's pitched a ton of complete games and regularly pitches 115+.
For the most part, the Indians protected Sabathia fairly well from 2005-07. And until his last outing as an Indian earlier this year when he threw 123 pitches, the Indians didn't run his pitch counts up much this season either.
Milwaukee, on the other hand, is treating him as if they have no intentions of keeping him beyond 2008. It'll be buyer beware for whoever offers up the big money to Sabathia this offseason considering that the Brewers don't seem too concerned about what they may be doing to his arm right now.
The Lost Decade Average Season: 74-88
2014-22 Average Season: 71-91
Boy, times have changed.
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