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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Jason Ellison will be getting at bats and spot starts that Jay Bruce could get...

    It works both ways

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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong View Post
    One of the problems with kids progressing this fast through the system is that the opponent never really gets a good "book" on you. Eventually you'll get to MLB and they will certainly get one on you. If you haven't been trained to make adjustments, then you'll likely struggle and lose some measure of confidence. I like my players teaming with confidence.

    Does this apply to Bruce? I'd say it applies to everyone. The question is how much training would one need to be able to make these adjustments? I think with his rise through the levels nobody really will have an answer to that. He might hit like a monster from day one and never falter, me might crash and burn never really having been forced to make adjustments at any level, much less the MLB level. Likely he'll fall in between, but which will he be closer too?

    Ecxcellent point. But they are going to get a book on him sooner or later. Still, you'd like to see him playing on a regular basis to make those adjustments rather than pinch hitting every 3rd game or platooning.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Jason Ellison will be getting at bats and spot starts that Jay Bruce could get...

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    yeah but once the season is over ellison can just be cut from the 40 man roster with no repercussions.

    once Bruce is on the 40 man roster I believe he must stay there otherwise the Reds would risk losing him. it just doesn't make sense to add him to the 40 man prior to the off season when the Reds will need as much flexibility with the 40 man as possible.
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    No need to bring him up now. Even though I would love to watch him play, it's just doesn't make any sense to do it. It's not clear to me that Jay will make the club next spring either. It will all depend on Jr. and Dunn. If both are here, I can't see Bruce coming up that soon. The Reds have to trade someone or not pick up Dunn's option, which is a horrible idea. Trade Jr.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyDuran View Post
    Good thing no one told that to Junior when he started out... wasn't he 20 years old or younger as a rookie and a 1st round draft choice as well???

    And Griffey was brought up out of Spring Training when he won a job at that time. He was not brought the previous September.

    So, applying the same logic to the Bruce situation, they are handling him like the Mariners handled Griffey, and that worked out OK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    And Griffey was brought up out of Spring Training when he won a job at that time. He was not brought the previous September.

    So, applying the same logic to the Bruce situation, they are handling him like the Mariners handled Griffey, and that worked out OK.

    That is IF he could win a spot in next year's OF - if Junior is kept, they pick up Dunn's option and then you have Hamilton... where does Bruce go... stay in Louisville till the middle of the year?

    Personally, I really don't care if he gets ANY at bats. I just think it's important for a 1st round draft choice to get the feel of being in the major leagues.
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    The kid has played a lot of baseball with great success? Why put a bump in the road. Not to mention he is going to the AFL and play for Team USA correct? He's got plenty on his plate. 15 Big league AB's can wait.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Not only are you starting his clock but you are burning options and he is taking the spot of someone else on the 40 man that you may need to protect over the winter.

    Mackanin's answer is a dumb one though.

    Actually I believe that an option is not used if he is brought up after Sept 1.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr View Post
    Actually I believe that an option is not used if he is brought up after Sept 1.
    yeah but he does have to be put on the 40 man roster.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Bringing someone up does not use an option, only sending them down does.

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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Bruce would be taking away at bats from Adam Dunn, Ken Griffey Jr., or Josh Hamilton. Bailey took away starts from Phil Dumatrait. You do the math.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini View Post
    Bringing someone up does not use an option, only sending them down does.
    A player can be called up and sent down as many times as the club chooses for three seasons after that player begins his optional assignment (being added to the forty man roster but not the twenty-five man active roster).
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    yeah but he does have to be put on the 40 man roster.
    I understand that. I was just responding to the comment that we would be using an option which I do not believe is the case after Sept 1. I personally think the Reds are doing just right with him. I honestly think that they might have a tough time protecting some guys this year. I remember times when everyone got mad because we hadn't protected a couple of guys who were our top prospects and people got up in arms over it only to find out that no one wanted them. That just shows how bad this farm system was 2 -3 years ago. Leaving him off as long as we can is smart in my opinion. I fully expect to see him in the middle of next year though.
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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Jason Ellison will be getting at bats and spot starts that Jay Bruce could get...

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    Maybe, but Jason Ellison is mostly going to start against left-handers on the few instances he does start.

    You've already got Griffey, Dunn, Hamilton and Hopper you're trying to get at-bats for. And with Hamilton in particular, you want him to keep getting as many as absolutely possible.

    Bruce has played at three minor league levels this year. He's going to play in instructional league and then for team USA. Give the kid some time off. Let him rest. He'll be in spring training next year and get all this "experience" with the big leaguers then without taking up a roster spot that could be very valuable this offseason.

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    Re: Why no Bruce??

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr View Post
    I understand that. I was just responding to the comment that we would be using an option which I do not believe is the case after Sept 1. I personally think the Reds are doing just right with him. I honestly think that they might have a tough time protecting some guys this year. I remember times when everyone got mad because we hadn't protected a couple of guys who were our top prospects and people got up in arms over it only to find out that no one wanted them. That just shows how bad this farm system was 2 -3 years ago. Leaving him off as long as we can is smart in my opinion. I fully expect to see him in the middle of next year though.
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